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IHeartMaeve wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:25 pm

Tiennos wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:25 pm

Sky Shatter wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:09 am Ooooo... It's a major accomplishment when an author can make the reader really hate the bad guy, instead of just love to hate them. Kudos to Tom.

Well in this case it's the opposite. I hope Clovis gets killed soon because I find him boring and badly written and I just want the story to move on.

I disagree. He actually has a ton of half-decent offscreen lore about him, like his hatred of women partly stemming from his half-fox heritage, which is from his mother's side of the family.

I don't remember much else, but the point is, some characters are far deeper than they appear to be at face value, and you shouldn't judge just by the onscreen info.

Bellhead wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:47 pm Note the map shown here, and the distances between their stops. I remember somebody, probably Eric, saying that the return trip would be shorter than their trip out, and their trip out was a little less than a month. I seem to remember them talking about it specifically, but I can't find the page...

Bellhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:17 am Found it!

It was Eric that said it, just off camera. I KNEW I wasn't crazy.

Starcat5 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:11 am snip

Bellhead wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 3:17 am Found it!

It was Eric that said it, just off camera. I KNEW I wasn't crazy.

Oh trust me, you are crazy. You just aren't wrong.

Bellhead wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:19 am In regards to your theory, I disagree. With that level of power, in Reni's body he'd have transformation abilities, and in his own he'd still have his current appearance, even after changing his gender. He might go out hunting dragons, but there's no reason for him to go hunting adrakists.

Though, to be fair, I could also see him going after the Templar if he thinks Brahn tried to set him up. But as we see here, he's too greedy and selfish for revenge based genocide. I just don't think it matches his character.

Starcat5 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:35 pm

Bellhead wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:19 am In regards to your theory, I disagree. With that level of power, in Reni's body he'd have transformation abilities, and in his own he'd still have his current appearance, even after changing his gender. He might go out hunting dragons, but there's no reason for him to go hunting adrakists.

Though, to be fair, I could also see him going after the Templar if he thinks Brahn tried to set him up. But as we see here, he's too greedy and selfish for revenge based genocide. I just don't think it matches his character.

I never said that he would be hunting Adrakists. I said that he would be an ANTI-Adrakist. As in, a dark reflection. Adrakists are humans (usually) with scaly limbs who worships Dragons. Clovis would throw a party if he learned that Dragons had gone extinct! And yeah, he'll probably wind up being a male Fox-Wolf again. I was just hoping he'd suffer a Monkey's Paw scenario.

tony1695 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:48 am The [censored] has an ego the size of the moon,

MaverickMopete wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:51 pm

tony1695 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:48 am The [censored] has an ego the size of the moon,

That's a terrible underestimation. He has an ego the size of the universe, which he believes revolves around him.

Thomas Rot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:38 pm He's here for Reni as well? OK, she's been here ever since everyone arrived on the first night, but unless Breakfast Cereal has been sharing that info with him as well, how does Clovis know that?

Even if he planned for her to be there, his words when first meeting Reni don't read like "Good evening, Miss Reni, I've been expecting you", they read how any random person would react if a dragon unexpectedly crashed their personal moment with a dying loved one. Did he just hope to stick around long enough to attract Reni before anyone else showed up and raised the alarm? And how on earth does "We have very little time" fit into his apparent plans for something he didn't even bother informing his henchmen about, even as vaguely as he mentioned Brutus to them?

Anyway with Clovis' dialogue here it sounds thankfully like he won't be thinking about Nat or Zen or other priorities while he has a chance to fix himself. And since he is now technically communicating with her by reading her mind, and is hardly in control of the entire magical apparatus of his shiny new toy, it's possible he can't think about anything else. Reminder that whenever Reni reads people's minds, or Nora in the Clovis mindscape in TDM, there's a visual marker of their eyes glowing and apparently focusing exclusively on the mindreading (in Reni's case at least, Nora is too OP'd to come to a reasonable conclusion about that). So there may be a small window of opportunity, once Raine or whoever realises that a dragon losing their magic means they don't stand a chance against whoever could do that, for them to take cover somewhere… obviously not the dungeons though, so no chance anyone else notices Brutus for the moment. Not a great situation for the beach party but at the very least Clovis might actually be too distracted to take them out immediately.