Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

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Re: Mind Manipulation - Risk of Reni Off-Duty

#16 Post by Panther » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:21 pm

steelabjur wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm
JDEzekude wrote:
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Ah, this isn't good. If Reni accepts her invitation into the Oasis Room, this'll leave the entire manor vulnerable to ambush. Reni is treasured as the "Ace of Edinmire" after all. Without her, both the town and the manor would be sitting ducks.
Well, the manor is protected by Trace's magic, and it's not like Reni is going to the other side of the world.
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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#17 Post by AmigaDragon » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:33 pm

CrRAR wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:48 am
The room stays a mystery for now, at least whatever the entity is has the decency enough to spare the youngins, even let em off easy with some blanked memories and a healthy desire to not go back there. Thanks creepy hallway person! How very courteous. :3
There's a difference between a desire to not go and a lack of desire to go somewhere. One is a desire to be anywhere else instead and the other is an absence of desire.
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Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
Actually, Reni mentioned Lt. Reed instead for the interrogation.
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I assume Maddie's "Naked!" comment refers to someone she saw when she took a peek through the door in the previous panel. Looks like she immediately spun around and put her back to the door. Must have been Mike or Evals.
Flora too, though I'm sure she's seen her naked before and since she's the same sex, it's not so much an issue as the guys.
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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#18 Post by CrRAR » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:32 am

AmigaDragon wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:33 pm
CrRAR wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:48 am
The room stays a mystery for now, at least whatever the entity is has the decency enough to spare the youngins, even let em off easy with some blanked memories and a healthy desire to not go back there. Thanks creepy hallway person! How very courteous. :3
There's a difference between a desire to not go and a lack of desire to go somewhere. One is a desire to be anywhere else instead and the other is an absence of desire.
Oh true, very true. Not a learned piece of logic. Rather a void of knowledge; ignorant bliss restored. It is a very important distinction. A consolation prize for surviving. My wording was in error. Well put.
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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#19 Post by Shockwave07 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:06 am

Naked!

http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1042/

Forgot the boys went full naked too... Time for Maddie to join them!

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Mind Manipulation - Dark Magic Risks

#20 Post by JDEzekude » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:31 pm

tony1695 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pm
steelabjur wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm
Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
Could just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.
Absolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".
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Re: Mind Manipulation - Dark Magic Risks

#21 Post by tony1695 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:48 am

JDEzekude wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:31 pm
tony1695 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pm
steelabjur wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm
Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
Could just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.
Absolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".
With the late General, it's debatable that he was using dark magic. Constant exposure to a Templar magic tower can only be described as neurologically detrimental, as displayed here by a random nameless Basitin a long while back. While there was no doubt he was an unpleasant individual who abused his power (Keith did get exiled without a trial), he was likely a victim of ambient exposure that simply amplified those negative aspects.

Here's hoping what happened in that room to alter their memories isn't powerful enough to cause major brain damage to a Basitin.
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Re: Mind Manipulation - Dark Magic Risks

#22 Post by AmigaDragon » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 pm

tony1695 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:48 am
With the late General, it's debatable that he was using dark magic. Constant exposure to a Templar magic tower can only be described as neurologically detrimental, as displayed here by a random nameless Basitin a long while back. While there was no doubt he was an unpleasant individual who abused his power (Keith did get exiled without a trial), he was likely a victim of ambient exposure that simply amplified those negative aspects.
While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.
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Re: Mind Manipulation - Dark Magic Risks

#23 Post by Yastreb » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:00 pm

AmigaDragon wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 pm
While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.
Here Roderick says:

"The Master Mage found some way to give Basitins the ability to wield magic. But apparently after a while forcing magic makes ‘em go soft in the head. She used to be pretty skilled, but now she can hardly speak in full sentences."

So Vehra did use magic herself. Also I don't think the magic Alabaster used was of the dark variety. Any magic has similar harmful effects on basitins as dark magic has on humans and keidran.

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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#24 Post by Tetrahedron » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:29 pm

Eclipse wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:25 pm
Tetrahedron wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:56 am
Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
Reni would die of embarrassment if he showed up.
AmigaDragon wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:33 pm
Tetrahedron wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:56 am
Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
Actually, Reni mentioned Lt. Reed instead for the interrogation.

Keiren: Damn, of course lt Reed is not aviable, now I have to walk al the way to the estate just for this interrogation.

ding dong...

Rose: Hello captain, how can I help?
Keiren: Princess Reni asked for me for an interrogation...
Rose: Come in, she is currently taking a break, maybe you should talk to her direktly first. Just go to the beach room. But there are no clothes allowed, exept swim suits. Well, take this towel, it may be a little bit small, but will do...


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Re: Mind Manipulation - Dark Magic Risks

#25 Post by CrRAR » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:39 am

Yastreb wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:00 pm
AmigaDragon wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 pm
While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.
Here Roderick says:

"The Master Mage found some way to give Basitins the ability to wield magic. But apparently after a while forcing magic makes ‘em go soft in the head. She used to be pretty skilled, but now she can hardly speak in full sentences."

So Vehra did use magic herself. Also I don't think the magic Alabaster used was of the dark variety. Any magic has similar harmful effects on basitins as dark magic has on humans and keidran.
Most of the crazed hostility concluding the Basitin arc could have been attributed to the influence the magic use had on their minds. Alaric and Alabaster both behaved pretty erratically, partly driven by Basitin command-centric instincts, partly magic-use induced no doubt.
JDEzekude wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:31 pm
tony1695 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pm
steelabjur wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm
Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
Could just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.
Absolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".
Since we moved onto a new page (and quickly toward the Oasis Room :grin:) I had a few remaining thoughts on the nature of this memory magic. It is interesting that only when asked to recall the memory it seemed to elude Maddie's grasp. Like a word on the tip of your tongue that slowly and tormentingly abates. Maybe that is the intention and mechanism of the magic. That the recollection of the memory is its undoing. Like reversing a video recording for that particular stretch of time in one's mind. I wonder if this is magic Trace practiced upon himself at any point, hoping that removal of Saria's memory would be an adequate remedy for what befell her... and them. Maybe his attempts were incomplete, removing someone of that significance in one's life would be difficult.

What if... what if he did, what if in hoping to forget... in the years spent isolated he removed large bits of the times they spent together? Instead of achieving ignorant bliss only emptiness remained. Infuriating. emptiness... and evidence all around of their life together. Leaving only an enhanced anger at what now was largely missing and that who it was caused by. Striped of identity, he couldn't even celebrate what memories he had, he only knew the hatred surrounding them caused by the actions of the aggressors that took Saria's life. It would make logical sense to explore being a man in his position.

Can't bring her back > Maybe I'll just try forgetting her > Can't completely > Unbridled anger toward Keidran & crazy tower plot.

After all in his crazed mind at this point he would just reason that, "THEY did this to me... US". Just some thoughts, crazed speculation at best, food for thought per sé.

Of course Trace was quoted as saying what he said to Laura here about being reminded (maybe happy at the prospect of remembering). But yeah, I'm even skeptical myself. Still an interesting train of thought worth writing out.

...oh and speaking of "food"...

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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#26 Post by AmigaDragon » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am

I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#27 Post by Neptune » Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:05 am

AmigaDragon wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am
I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
If sunbathing and swimming have anything to do with training for war, then yes.
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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#28 Post by Eclipse » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:41 am

AmigaDragon wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am
I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Probably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.

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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#29 Post by AndreRhineDavis » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:40 am

Eclipse wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:41 am
AmigaDragon wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am
I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Probably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.
Nah, I reckon Eastern Basitins definitely would engage in leisure. Like, they have taverns. We see Basitins drinking beer and playing cards. I would just imagine that their leisure is more on the organised and goal-oriented and "cultured" and "productive" side. Like I can easily imagine Basitins playing board games or sports or watching theatre, or even having chats with friends in the baths or at the tavern. What's less Basitin-like is "lazy" leisure or "chilled-out" leisure, like just lying at the beach for hours doing nothing but getting a tan.

Basitins aren't emotionless robots, they're based on real human societies like Spartans, as well as more aspergers/autistic-style mindsets which think and perceive the world much more in terms of organised rules rather than instinct and intuition and spontaneity. There are people in the real world who are like Basitins, as well as whole cultures which have existed which are similar to Basitin culture. Such people still engage in all sorts of the same things as "our" culture does, they are still human with the whole range of human emotions and experiences and wants and needs. They just have different cultural/social norms, and a different way of thinking/feeling about things.

So yeah, sure Eastern Basitins would socialise and have rest and relaxation and fun. The average Basitin just might do it in different ways than the average human.

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Re: Comic for August 10, 2019: Mind Manipulation

#30 Post by Eclipse » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:49 pm

AndreRhineDavis wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:40 am
Eclipse wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:41 am
AmigaDragon wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am
I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Probably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.
Nah, I reckon Eastern Basitins definitely would engage in leisure. Like, they have taverns. We see Basitins drinking beer and playing cards. I would just imagine that their leisure is more on the organised and goal-oriented and "cultured" and "productive" side. Like I can easily imagine Basitins playing board games or sports or watching theatre, or even having chats with friends in the baths or at the tavern. What's less Basitin-like is "lazy" leisure or "chilled-out" leisure, like just lying at the beach for hours doing nothing but getting a tan.

Basitins aren't emotionless robots, they're based on real human societies like Spartans, as well as more aspergers/autistic-style mindsets which think and perceive the world much more in terms of organised rules rather than instinct and intuition and spontaneity. There are people in the real world who are like Basitins, as well as whole cultures which have existed which are similar to Basitin culture. Such people still engage in all sorts of the same things as "our" culture does, they are still human with the whole range of human emotions and experiences and wants and needs. They just have different cultural/social norms, and a different way of thinking/feeling about things.

So yeah, sure Eastern Basitins would socialise and have rest and relaxation and fun. The average Basitin just might do it in different ways than the average human.
That's more along the lines of what I was thinking anyway, they probably do fun things, but for the most part probably view them as extracurricular activities that can help make them better soldiers. I could definitely see them playing board games or sports, there's a lot of strategic value in mastering those activities that could translate on the battlefield.

But then again, drinking alcohol real doesn't fit that as much. What's the benefit there? Higher tolerance to pain/poison?

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