Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
soo Clovis ... seems we have a little princess with a big ego here? guess she missed her meds and schedule for the looney bin?
edit: also, our guys never get some rest... now they have to rescue snowcat mama AND an actual princess.....
edit: also, our guys never get some rest... now they have to rescue snowcat mama AND an actual princess.....
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
I'm wondering if (outside this mindscape anyway) Reni could see 'Nana' Nora's magical signature on Clovis if given a moment to look (not in the middle of a fight).
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
What if Nora messed with Clovis the following way:
Clovis was female at birth.
Nora just planted a false memory her being a male at birth and the "need" to change back?
Then if/when she finally achieves the gender change, the false memory lifted and she realizes she was female?
Clovis was female at birth.
Nora just planted a false memory her being a male at birth and the "need" to change back?
Then if/when she finally achieves the gender change, the false memory lifted and she realizes she was female?
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
Interesting theory... But by that logic, it could be just as likely that Nora decided to plant that scenario in his head, just to mess with him. Inception is a nasty thing...scyllafren wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:32 pm What if Nora messed with Clovis the following way:
Clovis was female at birth.
Nora just planted a false memory her being a male at birth and the "need" to change back?
Then if/when she finally achieves the gender change, the false memory lifted and she realizes she was female?
But knowing Nora, she probably just cursed every facet of his existence post sex change, without messing with his memories. His identity, his soul's gender, not to mention the way his brain functions... She seems to me, to be more of a trickster than a downright evil character, which leads me to think she'd be more inclined to play a rather chaotic prank than to torture someone the way you're describing.
Interesting thought, though.
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
Zaigan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 5:53 am Hi Clovis, it's been awhile.
Another thought, but maybe Clovis is a girl in his mindscape because that can also be some feeling he's buried? I always thought he was more likely gay and in denial, but I suppose he could also have some gender issues even before the transformation that he denied. It seems like he felt a need to be very over-compensatory masculine because he needed to make up for some lack of it or failure to at least reach the ideal of it, imagined or real from his society.
He's small, has the hots for a guy and while we know he's supposedly banged a lot of women, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that was to compensate. He hates them so much, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a front to deal with how much he hates the "feminine" traits in himself, or perhaps even desires?
Imagine if the curse was feeding off his own mental conflict this whole time, and the reason he couldn't escape it was because he never dealt with his own issues. Natani has done a lot more growth on this front, both appearing male in headspace and yet, also making peace with the female bodied side. Even with a society of magic where you can just change your physical sex, Natani has also made a kind of peace and unified identity, and found love and companionship in spite of those challenges.
Clovis murdered someone he was probably in love with and despite being able to fix his physical appearance is female in head space, a place he should be in control of.
I had a similar theory. Clovis misogyny comes from his own mishandle gay feelings. He has tried to compensate for most of his life, first his lack of agency then his lack of traditional wolven characteristics, he is small and "weak" and he probably realized he still has feeling for brutus even now that curse has been lifted/diminished. Though in the Dargon Masquerade Tom says misogyny comes from her mom, she is a fox and all of Clovis problems comes from being half fox, which he sees as his mom fault hence he developed his misogynistic attitude.
Bellhead wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:45 pmInteresting theory... But by that logic, it could be just as likely that Nora decided to plant that scenario in his head, just to mess with him. Inception is a nasty thing...scyllafren wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:32 pm What if Nora messed with Clovis the following way:
Clovis was female at birth.
Nora just planted a false memory her being a male at birth and the "need" to change back?
Then if/when she finally achieves the gender change, the false memory lifted and she realizes she was female?
But knowing Nora, she probably just cursed every facet of his existence post sex change, without messing with his memories. His identity, his soul's gender, not to mention the way his brain functions... She seems to me, to be more of a trickster than a downright evil character, which leads me to think she'd be more inclined to play a rather chaotic prank than to torture someone the way you're describing.
Interesting thought, though.
I think she is pretty cruel regardless, even though she does not see it. At the end Clovis lost a lot of control and agency over his own body and mind. Which is kinda scary when you thing about it. Your body just stops obeying you...
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
I wonder why, given Clovis's conceit, manipulative streak, and hunger for power, he doesn't take advantage of his new form! He's - she's - now a hot, voluptuous female; seducing, teasing, tormenting and corrupting vulnerable males would seem to be second nature.
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A-ha, but that would mean accepting his female half, and he hates women with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. Regardless of what that body is capable of, he hates it on a genetic level. The voluptuousness of it just makes it that much more infuriating.JohnTheWysard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:39 pm I wonder why, given Clovis's conceit, manipulative streak, and hunger for power, he doesn't take advantage of his new form! He's - she's - now a hot, voluptuous female; seducing, teasing, tormenting and corrupting vulnerable males would seem to be second nature.
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Clovis misses out on great opportunities due to misogyny... how tragic...
On another note, it would be very interesting if the story does go down the path of Clovis overcompensating a hatrid for the female body in an attempt to cover up secretly enjoying it/feeling more comfortable in it and not knowing how do deal with it. I could see it leading to Natani and Clovis potentially dissolving the debt or something, since they would have a major thing in common, something I doubt Clovis would be comfortable getting out .
On another note, it would be very interesting if the story does go down the path of Clovis overcompensating a hatrid for the female body in an attempt to cover up secretly enjoying it/feeling more comfortable in it and not knowing how do deal with it. I could see it leading to Natani and Clovis potentially dissolving the debt or something, since they would have a major thing in common, something I doubt Clovis would be comfortable getting out .
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
I would say part of Clovis hate towards women is self hate. He hates his fox side which comes from his mum. So i would say yes he hates himself female or notBellhead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:55 pmA-ha, but that would mean accepting his female half, and he hates women with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. Regardless of what that body is capable of, he hates it on a genetic level. The voluptuousness of it just makes it that much more infuriating.JohnTheWysard wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:39 pm I wonder why, given Clovis's conceit, manipulative streak, and hunger for power, he doesn't take advantage of his new form! He's - she's - now a hot, voluptuous female; seducing, teasing, tormenting and corrupting vulnerable males would seem to be second nature.
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
Where is it said that he hates his fox half?
Also Clovis really isn't very smart imprisonaning a powerful creature of magic in his own mind. That cannot possibly end well for him.
Also Clovis really isn't very smart imprisonaning a powerful creature of magic in his own mind. That cannot possibly end well for him.
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
TDM, Character Concept wrote: Clovis himself is a vain man,
who takes great pleasure in
wielding power over others.
Though he claims to be a full-blooded
wolf, his narrow snout betrays his half-fox
heritage, passed down from his mother's side.
This fact, coupled with the wolven view of foxes
as being lower class citizens, has caused Clovis
to hold an irrational hatred towards women.
Clovis reference sheet wrote: Clovis holds a hatred of both women &
foxes due largely to the fact that his
mother was a vixen. A fact he denies.
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
Not sure why people keep saying they're surprised by this page. We've already known Clovis is completely full of himself and has been driven insane because he refuses to accept that his predicament is the result of his own actions and inability to process his own feelings.
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
I seem to recall a certain young Templar who can see through the eyes of animals? And there's been a cat watching Clovis since the cellar.
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You think the cat survived the destruction of the dungeon?
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Re: Comic for October 14, 2022: Revealing His Ego
Anyone else surprised/Impressed Reni could even tell?