foxlord wrote:Agreed on all counts. Not sure what else to put here really.Schrodinger wrote:TheFrozenSlime wrote:I just got back from seeing it with some family, I'll put a bit of the discussion we had after here:Overall, it was a good movie, and I look forward to the next one.Spoiler!1. Han Solo dying made sense for the movie; of all the original trilogy characters to go, he made the most sense because Ford wanted Solo killed off in Return of the Jedi, and now they don't have to pay him 5 million per movie to play the part
2. It felt like the plot was a bit rushed; 3 people who had never seen each other before coming together and almost instantly having this working, "I've known you for years" synergistic relation? C'mon.
3. Kylo Ren was a bit "hypocritical"; He's supposed to be powerful (he can stop a blaster bolt - pure energy) and have formal training, yet puts up too little a fight against Fin, who had never had training with a lightsaber and who had earlier almost had his butt kicked by a guy with a stick? Why didn't he just go after him with the Force, like he did to Rhea earlier?Spoiler!Yeah, my complaints with the movie can be summed up as, "It's New Hope and Empire smashed together with a villain and hero on an inverse power curve." I made the joke with my friends that Kylo started to go down the tubes the moment he took the helmet off while Rey is power-leveling through the runtime. She starts as a capable scavenger and ends as jedi Mary Sue.
I'll forgive the writing of Kylo since he's more consistent. Powerful and dangerous but raw and unrefined, just like his lightsaber (good theming there). Kylo's a child struggling to match a legacy that took twenty years to develop.
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Addendum, I've seen the film again and I retract the Mary Sue comment. She has flaws, she makes mistakes, and she has an arc through the runtime. Rey is still on an intense power curve but that has just as much to do with the pace of the entire movie as it does with her as a character. Kylo has had a lot of very good propping up in his favor like this here. Kylo's weakness is his insecurities which Rey had demonstrated she could exploit earlier in the film. She only beat him after tapping into the Force and forcing the gravely injured and emotionally unstable Ren onto the defensive.
JJ was attempting to tap into the nostalgia of the original trilogy (second viewing helped me see he was tapping all three films for ideas) and did his own movie a minor disservice since it wasn't allowed to breathe and develop so the characters suffer as a result. Hopefully the next movie can take this new trilogy out of the nostalgic past and into a bright future.
JJ was attempting to tap into the nostalgia of the original trilogy (second viewing helped me see he was tapping all three films for ideas) and did his own movie a minor disservice since it wasn't allowed to breathe and develop so the characters suffer as a result. Hopefully the next movie can take this new trilogy out of the nostalgic past and into a bright future.