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Hmm. I'm not sure how much this changes things, as I seriously doubt he was running the show until he died, what with the strokes and brain surgery.
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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote:Initial Article

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Hmm. I'm not sure how much this changes things, as I seriously doubt he was running the show until he died, what with the strokes and brain surgery.
I wonder if North Korea will be able to handle the shift of power without tearing itself apart.

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this is one of three things.
1. Really really bad for NK
2. Really REALLY bad for everyone else, imagine if they get a new and even MORE nuts leader...one that'll take it a step up.
3. It means nothing, he was after all in the end of his life, just a figure head.



Alternatively, it could mean that a different country may get off it's socialist behind and swallow it :| but that isn't likely AT ALL. (No, Mongolia first, much easier)

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...or the regime begins to dissolve and we will see a free NK in our lifetimes.
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Kinuki wrote:...or the regime begins to dissolve and we will see a free NK in our lifetimes.
...which rapidly falls apart like the French Revolution until we repeat the cycle again ><
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#6 Post by neosgàthach »

Kim Jong-il's son Kim Jong-un has already been named his successor, and is apparently very similar to his father. Also, if Jong-il was simply a figurehead by the end of his life, it means either Jong-un or another unknown party was controlling. Either way, I doubt there will be much of a change within the DPRK (I love the irony in that name) any time soon.

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Kinuki wrote:...or the regime begins to dissolve and we will see a free NK in our lifetimes.
They are way too brainwashed. If it did collapse, it would take our lifetime just for them to begin to become any quantity of "free".


Also, and yes it was inevitable: FunnyJunk is freaking out right now, huh? (On some scale, anyway.) I haven't been there yet, don't think I wanna for a few days. :wink:

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Kinuki wrote:...or the regime begins to dissolve and we will see a free NK in our lifetimes.
They are way too brainwashed. If it did collapse, it would take our lifetime just for them to begin to become any quantity of "free".
Yeah, didn't he convince them that he was some sort of immortal god because he drank the blood of virgins? I can only imagine whats going through their minds right now...
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Jokes aside, I'm more concerned on how this affects North Korea's political stability. Not much is known about Kim Jong-un and rumors abound that he isn't ready to run the country and that the military will only keep him as a figurehead. Only time will tell.
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How likely might it be for the generals to stage a silent coup? Keep the son as a figure head and rule silently from behind him. The NK people have been brainwashed pretty severely, and might not trust anyone not from the family of the Glorious Leader. Allowing the generals to rule quietly might be the best way to keep the country from going belly-up from poor (well, poor-er) leadership.
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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote:...which rapidly falls apart like the French Revolution until we repeat the cycle again ><
Yeah, or that one in the 13 colonies! Wait...

The same kind of eternalness was also ascribed to the Soviet Union, but in the end macroeconomic pressure led to its demise. NK is a very poor country, so much so that there are (hopefully unsubstantiated) rumors of cannibalism among the rural populace. A hungry folk is prone to revolt. I don't think the regime will last long anyway given the desolate situation, sooner or later infighting will let it crumble. Either a sane group will stage a coup and open up the country or they will grab all valuables left and flee. However, it's improbable that it becomes a second Somalia since South Korea would integrate them.
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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote:...which rapidly falls apart like the French Revolution until we repeat the cycle again ><
Yeah, or that one in the 13 colonies! Wait...

The same kind of eternalness was also ascribed to the Soviet Union, but in the end macroeconomic pressure led to its demise. NK is a very poor country, so much so that there are (hopefully unsubstantiated) rumors of cannibalism among the rural populace. A hungry folk is prone to revolt. I don't think the regime will last long anyway given the desolate situation, sooner or later infighting will let it crumble. Either a sane group will stage a coup and open up the country or they will grab all valuables left and flee. However, it's improbable that it becomes a second Somalia since South Korea would integrate them.
The colonies had a far more structured, rational society with reasonable men who did not wish to grab power, whereas North Korea is filled with the brainwashed and/or power-hungry. Look at all the rebellions and revolutions we've had since then. How many of them went well? The poorer and more isolated the country, the worse they ended. And I seriously doubt that China will idly let South Korea absorb the North.
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The colonies served as an example that not all revolutions descend into a Reign of Terror-like state.

As for more similar pre-revolutionary conditions, Tunisia.
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Kinuki wrote:The colonies served as an example that not all revolutions descend into a Reign of Terror-like state.

As for more similar pre-revolutionary conditions, Tunisia.
I'm just saying that while I'd like to be hopeful, the chances of a place like North Korea becoming anything significantly better anytime soon are miniscule. I'll be the first to cheer if or when that happens peacefully.
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