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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote: I'm just saying that while I'd like to be hopeful, the chances of a place like North Korea becoming anything significantly better anytime soon are miniscule. I'll be the first to cheer if or when that happens peacefully.
With all that's going on in that country, that's a big if.

I don't think anything will change. (as far as internal politics anyways) They are just trading one crazy guy for another. It has been so long since the people have known anything better that I doubt they have any aspirations of political reform or rebellion at all.
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Video Games called it.

Mercenaries!

I give it a month before the place is a total war zone.
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Talaisan wrote:Video Games called it.

Mercenaries!

I give it a month before the place is a total war zone.
wait...what? :P

Two minimum.

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If any big conflicts emerges in there, you know they'll drag the U.S. into it. You know, considering how much they hate Americans, and since the war isn't technically over yet.

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judah4 wrote:I wonder if North Korea will be able to handle the shift of power without tearing itself apart.
We can all hope not. At least Kimmy ain't so ronery anymore.

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OK i heard on the radio yesterday, the son will not change the policies of the country, and will keep it going the way it is. HOWEVER, he has asked ((More like ordered)) that the citizens pledge to serve and protect him, something like that. Now, this rang a bell in me head, as ive heard it before somewhere..... more like 70 years ago, a certain Chancellor asked the same thing of a different nation here in Europe, and well.... we ended up in WW2. Now, is this a repetition of what happend with Adolf Hitler in the 30's and 40's?

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Phantom wrote:OK i heard on the radio yesterday, the son will not change the policies of the country, and will keep it going the way it is. HOWEVER, he has asked ((More like ordered)) that the citizens pledge to serve and protect him, something like that. Now, this rang a bell in me head, as ive heard it before somewhere..... more like 70 years ago, a certain Chancellor asked the same thing of a different nation here in Europe, and well.... we ended up in WW2. Now, is this a repetition of what happend with Adolf Hitler in the 30's and 40's?
NK doesn't have the power to invade anyone except SK, and that would be a very speedy Pyrrhic victory at best.
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More like total defeat for NK if they ever attempted to invade a rich, and therefore intrinsically more powerful, country like SK.
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Kinuki wrote:More like total defeat for NK if they ever attempted to invade a rich, and therefore intrinsically more powerful, country like SK.
Mm, badly phrased on my part previously. NK would devastate many major SK urban areas with the obscene amount of artillery they have stockpiled/possible nuclear strikes (Not sure how likely for the latter), then they would be smashed into bits themselves, and probably put under some sort of SK/US/Possibly Chinese/Japanese occupation, for possible reintegration into SK.
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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote:
Kinuki wrote:More like total defeat for NK if they ever attempted to invade a rich, and therefore intrinsically more powerful, country like SK.
Mm, badly phrased on my part previously. NK would devastate many major SK urban areas with the obscene amount of artillery they have stockpiled/possible nuclear strikes (Not sure how likely for the latter), then they would be smashed into bits themselves, and probably put under some sort of SK/US/Possibly Chinese/Japanese occupation, for possible reintegration into SK.
I actually doubt it. China actually has shown in the past that it supports NK, and we would also have to see how Russia reacts as well. The US would probably not have the funds to support SK alot, and if CHina were to support NK, then NK would probably win.

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Why would China risk it? If North Korea decided to go full crazy China would just leave them to dry. Afterall there dealings with the US are more valuable then little NK.
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I'd suggest that if North Korea were to lose their marbles, China would quietly ask the United States to stay out of "this regional matter" and would step in themselves to pacify or annex North Korea. China has no desire for a nuclear war on their front porch, so to speak.
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avwolf wrote:I'd suggest that if North Korea were to lose their marbles, China would quietly ask the United States to stay out of "this regional matter" and would step in themselves to pacify or annex North Korea. China has no desire for a nuclear war on their front porch, so to speak.
This. By the time we could get anything mobilized, China would have moved in and taken over.

Though if NK were to put up decent resistance to Chinese invasion, and if this were a war-game, I'd launch all out hell on China and see if it worked, if I were the US. It's a good thing I'm not in charge.
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MrFlyingAmoeba wrote:
Phantom wrote:OK i heard on the radio yesterday, the son will not change the policies of the country, and will keep it going the way it is. HOWEVER, he has asked ((More like ordered)) that the citizens pledge to serve and protect him, something like that. Now, this rang a bell in me head, as ive heard it before somewhere..... more like 70 years ago, a certain Chancellor asked the same thing of a different nation here in Europe, and well.... we ended up in WW2. Now, is this a repetition of what happend with Adolf Hitler in the 30's and 40's?
NK doesn't have the power to invade anyone except SK, and that would be a very speedy Pyrrhic victory at best.
Y'know, they could just skip SK and China altogether and go straight for Kamchatka. Nice little lot of land with some good resources...yeah, they might just go for that.

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Talaisan wrote:
avwolf wrote:I'd suggest that if North Korea were to lose their marbles, China would quietly ask the United States to stay out of "this regional matter" and would step in themselves to pacify or annex North Korea. China has no desire for a nuclear war on their front porch, so to speak.
This. By the time we could get anything mobilized, China would have moved in and taken over.

Though if NK were to put up decent resistance to Chinese invasion, and if this were a war-game, I'd launch all out hell on China and see if it worked, if I were the US. It's a good thing I'm not in charge.
The US has got a sizable ground force in SK already ready to go, not to mention that SK's military is nothing to sneeze at. If the US let China march in, I don't think Japan/SK would be very happy.
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