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Obama's performance as the President

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That titles speaks it all, besides the question: What is your opinion?

My opinion: He has done well with what he was given. Its like being dealt a crappy hand in Pinocle. (I doubt many of you know what that is, but suffice to say that its a game where you do what you can with what you're dealt.) In Pinocle you do not always get a great hand, you hardly even get a good hand half the time. Obama was dealt a [censored] hand. He was given a collapsing economy; a declining job market; a fairly corrupt government. What this country needed was change. 8 year of Bush as president showed that. But the people who were gaining from all this didn't want to change it: Namely the Republicans. Obama has been fought on everything that he has tried to do for the benefit of this country. His presidency has been FAR from positive, what with the highest unemployment rate in nearly 30 years, a massive debt that couldn't be ignored any longer to name a couple. He has done well with what he was dealt. I dare anyone to believe that they could have done better with what he was given.

So again, what is your opinion? Do you believe as I do that Obama is doing what he can? Or do you some how believe that he doing it all wrong? Is he to blame for all this mess? (If you believe that last one I will verbally rip your spine out and beat you with it for that bit of ignorance.) Shoot: I wanna hear what you believe.
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I think you've been listening to too much spin, and not enough facts. ;) Obama HAD his democratic congress, a congress that pushed through his health plan despite all the outcry to the contrary.

A health plan, I might add, that will criminalize me and my husband for not having health care we can't afford.

Precisely at what time did the economy start falling? I think if you researched that little tidbit across the board, you'll find differing answers from differing sources, ESPECIALLY sources that spin in opposite directions. Look at what each of them is leaving out, and there is where you'll find the truth. They love to tar each other, but can't stand to own up to their own misdoings.

as usual the answer's gonna be somehwere in the middle.

Obama tends to look at the 'abroad picture' . We're talking about a President who wouldn't send Aid to Texas, but did send aid to Mexico when the fires burned across the border. I think he's done exactly what he wanted, pretty much when he wanted, and blamed the republican congress the moment they were sworn into their seats (and actually, on at least two occasions, before they were sworn in).
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Ok, I'll admit that his healthcare plan was a flop for the most part, and harmed as many, if not more, people than it helped.

Now my economic knowledge is a bit fuzzy, but I'm sure that it would take more that 2 years for an economy to degrade as far as ours has, in respect to what it was. It seems to me that it would take years of poor choices and a steady decline in the economy over the years. I have enough reason to believe that the Bush administration was less than ideal for a thriving economy.

I cannot think of an excuse, mostly because there isn't one, for Obama's disinclination to send troops to Texas. But I can think of several reasons to help other countries, particularly those considerably less able than the great expanse that is the US. Ignoring that fact that our economy is a great deal less than ideal
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Except what happened between Clinton stepping down, and Bush stepping up? I swear it seemed the day before Bush was sworn in, we were all told that the Gov't had a surplus for the first time in a long time, and the day Bush took office, the deficit was back.

No bloody joke. at all.

There have been bad economic decisions all along. THe biggest problem being that the government wants to do more and more that ordinary citizens OUGHT to be able to do for themselves.

There is a faction in the government that, i swear to you, if they could mandate how to wipe after using the potty, they'd find a way to set up an agency for that.

and you simply cannot micromanage a country.
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I didn't vote for him, and I think he's done an absolute terrible job. Can't wait for him to be gone.

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How could he have done better? And oppose to Mccain, whom I still hold with my believe would have suffered a heart attack and died in the shock of the fact that he won? Then we would have been stuck with Pailin. *Shudders*
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Luca Fox wrote:I didn't vote for him, and I think he's done an absolutel terrible job. Can't wait for him to be gone.
i had to change my avatar just so i could post on this thread, but the above is my opinion as well.
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He could have done better by doing the opposite of pretty much everything he did.

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Luca Fox wrote:He could have done better by doing the opposite of pretty much everything he did.
So...you think he should've campaigned to make homosexuality not only unmaraigable, but outright illegal? And to make homosexuality in the military not only a discharge offense, but an offense to be imprisoned over? I'm sure Nanaki, among others, would be so happy to hear you feel that way.
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Luca Fox wrote:He could have done better by doing the opposite of pretty much everything he did.
So...you think he should've campaigned to make homosexuality not only unmaraigable, but outright illegal? And to make homosexuality in the military not only a discharge offense, but an offense to be imprisoned over? I'm sure Nanaki, among others, would be so happy to hear you feel that way.
I'm pretty sure he didn't meant that Insomniac. Probably meant it though when it comes to his economic policies and whatnot.

Anyways, as for the question itself, I think he's just your plain average president that just got stuck with something out of his capabilities.
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FurryForlife wrote:How could he have done better? And oppose to Mccain, whom I still hold with my believe would have suffered a heart attack and died in the shock of the fact that he won? Then we would have been stuck with Pailin. *Shudders*
Honestly, I highly doubt he would have a heart attack over a presidential victory. The man survived as a POW during the Vietnam War(Plus his medical records state he had a strong heart) and was a Captain in the Navy(equivalent to a Colonel), I am pretty sure he can handle presidential inauguration and run a country fine(not solve everything though).
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Since I am a moderate Conservative, its natural for me to disagree with many of Obama's policies, but I also think he is far to young and new to the whole leadership thing and his views could of had potential, but he isn't seeing every important detail in the grand scheme which could have improved our economy, but failed. He's trying to juggle fifty things at once and then claiming it to be the best show on earth, or at least better then last performance. I know its hard to try and fix what a COLLECTION of presidents, politicians AND large private businesses did, but adding to the fire was really not the best solution. I also find it hilarious that Obama managed to receive more credit than he deserves.
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Luca Fox wrote:He could have done better by doing the opposite of pretty much everything he did.
Just to say: I'd appreciate that you would elaborate if you're going to say something like that, to avoid confusion.


@Geo_&_Bio: It was more of a joke that I kept saying while the election was going on. Mccain would suffer a heart attack and die in shock, Obama would be assassinated by some extremist. Then who'd you wanna be stuck with: Pailin or Biden?
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Most of Obama's problems he created for himself, then wanted to blame others for bringing them up. This set up a pattern of behavior it is VERY hard to trust:

the funniest being his 'is he natural born or not?" Idiot didn't want to pay for college, so he claimed to be born overseas, and got through college on an international scholarship... and you think this ISN'T going to cause problems running for the US president?

You have one of the most corrupt organizations - so bad even the major media like to broadcast what they've been caught doing- to run the US census? Yeah, hard NOT to get tarred with decisions like this dogging your every step.

Obama has also admitted to being mentored with some very questionable people, like his reverend or that 'protester' that was one step shy of being a terrorist himself. People judge you by the company you keep, and the company he was keeping wasnt' the sort he was trying to reform, but people he wanted to LEARN from? ><
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Now now Wynni. No one is perfect. No one.

The variety of what you are bashing Obama on borders on just about everything. You are leading me to believe that everything he does is suppose to be without flaw. No one can do that.
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the funniest being his 'is he natural born or not?" Idiot didn't want to pay for college, so he claimed to be born overseas, and got through college on an international scholarship... and you think this ISN'T going to cause problems running for the US president?
I'd like proof of that one. I'd like to have thought that I'd hear some INKLING of that during the elections or currently even.

On that last bit Wynni, I'd like you to say that everything about everyone you have ever tried to learn something from is flawless.
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Eh, the only thing I can find now on the whole college thing is a bit on snopes about an April First trick that got taken as truth, and it seems it was taken up by more 'believable' sites at the time. Short version: I'm admitting to being taken in by one I didn't research myself.

What is HARDER to explain away, are the gentlemen he called 'inspirational' namely Reverend Wright

and didn't he claim friendship withBill Ayers?

Eh , there's still websites that have stuff about his hinky mentorship, but most of them are very -shall we say- spinny?

But here's the thing about spinny sites: if one is lying on the other, the other site will link proof that denies it. It's the stuff they don't even mention that you want to pay attention to, because that's where the truth is. If we can't prove it wrong, act like it's not important enough to acknowledge.

Next, I don't think any of my mentors ever joined terrorist organizations like Weatherman, nor have any of my preachers ever called down the Almighty's wrath on all of the US.

And usually, if I *would* have associations with people like that, I would be actively attempting to change their destructive behavior, not praise it. I seem to remember one of his friends -either Ayers or one like him- who said he was proud of what he did back then, and was *not* sorry. Things of this nature are why I have a bone deep distrust of Obama and his policies.
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