avwolf wrote:Sable Dove wrote:I had suspected that might be what you meant... How 'bout this? Or this?
Okay, what you've got there is indeed what I'd call a headlock or at least really close. The second picture is illegal here -- a ref'd call it a headlock without the arm because the hands are touching. The first one isn't as strong as a full headlock with just the grip on the opponent's arm. I'd personally call that a very weak pin, but I got very good at weasling out of those things. You have no hip control, and not enough weight on their chest to keep them from wriggling around. If you cinch it up real tight and keep walking to their head, you can get the pin, but it's certainly not a sure bet. I've both gotten out of it and been pinned by it, but I'd gotten free a lot more often.
Obviously, there's at least as much difference between Canadian high school wrestling and American high school wrestling as there is between high school and college wrestling here.
The takedown I described is a surprise move. It only works when they aren't expecting it, and it's certainly not something that you'd do very often. You have to do it fast and hard, or you won't throw them off balance. Effectively, you're driving
through your opponent. I think I actually did it in a match only once ever. In a match, I tended to go for the single leg ankle-pick.
I actually searched for the judo technique instead (scarf hold down), so I'm not surprised that the second one was illegal in wrestling and the first one would be weak in wrestling (it's judo, though; he can grab the gi); I honestly didn't give them more than a quick glance. I'm not saying that it's 100%, but a good wrestler who knows what they're doing would probably have a success rate of somewhere between 80 and 90% with it. The pin certainly isn't the strongest possible, but pretty much any other technique carries a greater risk of being scored on yourself, which is the greatest appeal of it; if he gets out of it (which shouldn't happen), you're not in any danger, and you're actually more likely to gain the advantage back afterward.
If you think it's a weak pin, then either you're an excellent weasel (like I am), or you've never had someone who was good at it do it to you. If you get it tight and circle the head, which is drilled into our heads constantly, then hip control is irrelevant because you only need to pin their shoulders. You'd be surprised how much weight a proficient wrestler can put on you with it. There is a reason it's also one of the first hold downs taught in judo; it works, and it works well. If you hook your knee with the hand behind their head, you can immobilize their upper body with surprisingly little weight actually on them. Trust me on this one; it's probably one of the most-used hold downs in wrestling, and it is for a reason.
As far as I know, the only difference between Canadian Highschool wrestling and Olympic wrestling is that we don't get five-point throws, and we almost never use the 'referee's position' (you know, the one that looks
really gay) (actually, I don't know if they use it in the Olympics much either).
As to the takedown, perhaps I can't see it as effective because I'm not quick, so I would fail miserably at it (this is why my most-used takedown starts with a failed move). Love the fireman's, but I suck at it 'cause I'm slow. I'm an opportunist, though, and never have I missed the fireman's and not had the knee just begging to be tapped.
Now bow before my infinite wisdom and kiss my non-existent boots, cretin.
Just kidding; at this point my terrible memory is kicking in and I'm pretty much BSing this all. And it's 3AM, I'm sleep-depraved. No, not a typo; I become depraved when I haven't slept.
More depraved than usual? That's almost scary.
