Re: The Basitin Military: An Illustrated Guide - Future Work TEASER
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:37 pm
image machine broke
A place to sit around and talk about the comic.
https://www.twokinds.net/forum/
*sigh* Really, again? All of them or just the latest one? Is it fixed now?
Hurrah, not sure why FA does that sometimes, I guess maybe the image address changes sometimes or something. Let me know if it keeps doing it and I'll look into hosting the image files elsewhere. Anyway, glad its fixed now, hope that teaser is enough to whet your appetite for what's to come, take it from me it's gonna be cool.ActiveRadarIsCasul wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:58 pmjust that one. Its fixed now.
Katana tail you say...ActiveRadarIsCasul wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:59 pm Make sure to rig that tail my dude. I want that 3D katana tail
ahhhhhhhhh yesssssssssThallium wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:57 pmKatana tail you say...ActiveRadarIsCasul wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:59 pm Make sure to rig that tail my dude. I want that 3D katana tail
Well the great thing about 3D is once you have all the models its relatively easy to do different things with them so I'm not going to rule anything out at this point.ActiveRadarIsCasul wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:25 am ahhhhhhhhh yesssssssss
i'd pay for an sfm port of that (if i had money)
Ah but you see that is exactly where greatswords were used historically. They were certainly not as a common as fantasy games and films would have you believe but they did find a niche against pike formations for the reasons I describe. The Wikipedia pages for Zweihänder and Landsknecht can provide more details if you'd like them. I love Skallagrim, been watching him for years as well as other historical arms and armour youtubers like Scholagladiatoria and Knyght Errant were a big influence on how I designed the basitin's equipment. From the historical finds, greatswords tended to be about the height of the user or slightly bigger, and so I sized my basitin's greatsword appropriately. The design is also based off of historical finds but for the life of me I can't find the original image I used anymore. In terms of the basitin's height, I'm not sure that they're that much shorter then the other races (Keith is the same height as Trace for example), but regardless for simplicity's sake, I have just assumed their height to have been that of the average human 500 years ago as it make scaling things so much easier.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am Not enteriley sure if greatswordmen would be a good counter against lines of pikemen as it is a rather cumbersome weapon against such enemies.
In any case i was gonna post a long response about how greatsowrds are not really that practical in any case as it is cumbersome, hard to wield and the mass/reach advantages are minimal, but i lost the draft so i will simply link this youtube channel. The host periodically complains about fantasy sword for being too big.
That being said considering the average basitin is relatively small i assume their "greatsword" would measure like a regular longsword for me. Just saying.
Thanks, I wanted to find my niche here and I noticed that there wasn't a lot of 3D stuff (although now, having got into it, I can see why) so I thought I'd at least give it a go. Yeah the model looks a little terrifying at the moment but that's mainly because he doesn't have his fur on yet and personally I can think of nothing scarier then meeting a shaved basitin in a dark alleyway. There aren't too many side on views of basitins in the comic so it's a little hard to get an absolute read on muzzle size but I think I've got it about right, although it's an easy change to make if in the future it looks to big.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am And respect to the teaser you showed us:
Wow 3D modeling that is uncommon in these parts, the model itself looks nice, yet i am not gonna lie, if i were to see something like that at night I would run In the opposite direction as fast as I could. Also isn't the muzzle/face a bit too large?
In any case impressive wip.
Maybe one day I'll release my own line of totally-not-warhammer basitin miniatures to do battle against the forces of Chaos. I would love to have a 3D Keith, the problem is that so much of Keith's design that makes it recognise as him is based off Tom's art style and that is extremely hard to replicate in 3D, especially if like me you're going for a realistic look. I'll give it a go but I'm not sure anything I make will be recognisable as anything other than a generic basitin.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am This reminds me of another thread here on the forums discussing twokinds inspired printable (paper) toys. Lets be real it is 2018 now and 3D printers are everywhere so I imagined a 3D printable version of any character could be something people are interested in. But there were no 3D models. Hopefully with this we could one day print our own Keith to decorate our desks.
Interesting, you have a coding/computing background then I assume? Thanks for the tips, in any case I now have an imgur account so I can host things there if needed as well, keep me updated if anything goes missing from this thread and I'll look into it.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am Finally, regarding you issues with FA. I would recommend contacting FA support: my rig is a bit unusual so it is no wonder if I am not being able to see linked images. But if someone else is having the same problem then the issue is somewhere else. Also phpBB, the software that this forum is based on, is rather old and not many people use it today, however it is still actively maintained, So maybe, just maybe, they way the host images on DA is becoming incompatible with the forum software, it would be worth asking.
Well one of my gripes with Keith's design is that he is not distinct enough. I routinely mistake any basitin on Tom sketches for him and sometimes i mistook Keith for any other basitin. Specially in the non colored sketches. So yeah having a Keith-looking miniature would be hard. But a generic basitin would be far more then we currently have!Thallium wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:42 amThanks, I wanted to find my niche here and I noticed that there wasn't a lot of 3D stuff (although now, having got into it, I can see why) so I thought I'd at least give it a go. Yeah the model looks a little terrifying at the moment but that's mainly because he doesn't have his fur on yet and personally I can think of nothing scarier then meeting a shaved basitin in a dark alleyway. There aren't too many side on views of basitins in the comic so it's a little hard to get an absolute read on muzzle size but I think I've got it about right, although it's an easy change to make if in the future it looks to big.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am And respect to the teaser you showed us:
Wow 3D modeling that is uncommon in these parts, the model itself looks nice, yet i am not gonna lie, if i were to see something like that at night I would run In the opposite direction as fast as I could. Also isn't the muzzle/face a bit too large?
In any case impressive wip.
Maybe one day I'll release my own line of totally-not-warhammer basitin miniatures to do battle against the forces of Chaos. I would love to have a 3D Keith, the problem is that so much of Keith's design that makes it recognise as him is based off Tom's art style and that is extremely hard to replicate in 3D, especially if like me you're going for a realistic look. I'll give it a go but I'm not sure anything I make will be recognisable as anything other than a generic basitin.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am This reminds me of another thread here on the forums discussing twokinds inspired printable (paper) toys. Lets be real it is 2018 now and 3D printers are everywhere so I imagined a 3D printable version of any character could be something people are interested in. But there were no 3D models. Hopefully with this we could one day print our own Keith to decorate our desks.
As it is tangentially related: I just tried, in another thread mind you, to post an image from Imgur, but for some reason it does not show. May be a bug with the forum software. Granted i haven't used the image function in quite a while so i may be my fault.Thallium wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 8:42 amInteresting, you have a coding/computing background then I assume? Thanks for the tips, in any case I now have an imgur account so I can host things there if needed as well, keep me updated if anything goes missing from this thread and I'll look into it.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 3:31 am Finally, regarding you issues with FA. I would recommend contacting FA support: my rig is a bit unusual so it is no wonder if I am not being able to see linked images. But if someone else is having the same problem then the issue is somewhere else. Also phpBB, the software that this forum is based on, is rather old and not many people use it today, however it is still actively maintained, So maybe, just maybe, they way the host images on DA is becoming incompatible with the forum software, it would be worth asking.
Also, new stretch goal: 1000 views and I'll show you something that's a little bit more then a terrifying, fur-less monstrosity.
I am impressed. The ballistiae looks a bit tiny thought. Alas i have never seen one real and up-close so i really do not know how big it is supposed to be
Personally I am not sure the Bastins would be hell bent on mass genocide or "race cleansinsg" but as I made my point, not my story. In any case i really like the alien idea. Not sure why but the concept of advanced technological race meet magical fantasy creatures on some planet is something that really pikes my interest.Neptune wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 11:32 pm A bit related to the discussion, but what if the Basitins has won? I'd think that most humans and Keidran would be subject to genocide or exiled to the far north, and Basitin settlers would replace them and their cities. This would be so, until maybe an alien race accidentally stumbles upon the Masks' little game, and seeing how these little fluffy people were so angry, would proceed to bomb the absolute hell out of the continent and then go to the isles and reduce their glorious empire to shattered stone, embers and ash.
Sounds like a story you should write, friend. I always love a bit of alt history, even if it is alt history of a fantasy to begin with. From a real historical perspective, when a land was conquered, the invaders usually replaced the aristocracy with their own but generally left the peasant population alone which is how I imagine it would have gone down had the Basitins won. We need more of the Masks in this story, they haven't been nearly as prominent as I thought they'd be when I first started reading years ago. I have no doubt we'll see more of the as the comic begins to wrap up however.Neptune wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 11:32 pm A bit related to the discussion, but what if the Basitins has won? I'd think that most humans and Keidran would be subject to genocide or exiled to the far north, and Basitin settlers would replace them and their cities. This would be so, until maybe an alien race accidentally stumbles upon the Masks' little game, and seeing how these little fluffy people were so angry, would proceed to bomb the absolute hell out of the continent and then go to the isles and reduce their glorious empire to shattered stone, embers and ash.
"Look at all the Keiths everywhere." I like that Tom recognises this and lampoons it in his own work. The one I particularly get confused about in the non-colour sketches is Natani and Raine as Tom has a very distinctive "wolf" drawing style. Well a generic basitin is coming so fear not! I'll have a damn good go at making Keith but we'll have to see. Something for the future.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 4:21 am Well one of my gripes with Keith's design is that he is not distinct enough. I routinely mistake any basitin on Tom sketches for him and sometimes i mistook Keith for any other basitin. Specially in the non colored sketches. So yeah having a Keith-looking miniature would be hard. But a generic basitin would be far more then we currently have!
Hmm that's slightly worrying, I think I'll just keep monitoring it and see what happens. I've always been able to restore any images that go down and there's the link to their hosting place on FA so hopefully that'll be enough for people to see them if they keep going missing.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 4:21 am As it is tangentially related: I just tried, in another thread mind you, to post an image from Imgur, but for some reason it does not show. May be a bug with the forum software. Granted i haven't used the image function in quite a while so i may be my fault.
Thanks; I'm not sure how clear I made this in the blurb but a carroballista (which is what is shown) is different from a ballista (which is much larger and probably what you were thinking of).This image here, with the scorpio on the left, the carroballista in the middle and the ballista on the right probably illustrates the size differences the best. I see your point about the metal compared to the wood. Fortunately that won't be a problem when we move to 3D because everything is image textures. Also, pics of your own ballista?Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 4:21 am I am impressed. The ballistiae looks a bit tiny thought. Alas i have never seen one real and up-close so i really do not know how big it is supposed to be
Not much to add thought I am simply a fan of siege weaponry, I once tried to build my own ballista, however the metal touches do look out of place thanks to the textured beams.
Not my story either, the Contact Wars are something Tom has talked about in the past, I just made up some of the details. I get the feeling they'd be more like benevolent dictators rather than purporting genocide, maybe one day we'll get a Twokinds historical spin off.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 4:21 am On a side note i have never understood why the Basitins just decided to attack/conquer when they reached the continent. They are proud of dishing out tough love sure. But eradicating an species because you find the moral code a bit too lax? that sound like covenant (from halo) not like our favorite bunny/cat people. But alas not my story...
Maybe I should write a little stint on a bunch of Kerbal explorers finding this little planet full of weird energy and stuff, then it gets a bit nasty after they settle the place and mine the resources. The Kerbin's allies start putting sanctions on the self-sufficient fellows.Thallium wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:19 amSounds like a story you should write, friend. I always love a bit of alt history, even if it is alt history of a fantasy to begin with. From a real historical perspective, when a land was conquered, the invaders usually replaced the aristocracy with their own but generally left the peasant population alone which is how I imagine it would have gone down had the Basitins won. We need more of the Masks in this story, they haven't been nearly as prominent as I thought they'd be when I first started reading years ago. I have no doubt we'll see more of the as the comic begins to wrap up however.Neptune wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 11:32 pm A bit related to the discussion, but what if the Basitins has won? I'd think that most humans and Keidran would be subject to genocide or exiled to the far north, and Basitin settlers would replace them and their cities. This would be so, until maybe an alien race accidentally stumbles upon the Masks' little game, and seeing how these little fluffy people were so angry, would proceed to bomb the absolute hell out of the continent and then go to the isles and reduce their glorious empire to shattered stone, embers and ash.