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Fuel-Efficient Ford F-150 Scrapped due to Sexual Insecurity

#1 Post by The Luigiian »

Well, OK, not quite, but pretty much due to small Johnson size.

The following information is gleaned from the Internet's biggest helper: hearsay and rumor.

In case you didn't know, the Ford F-150 is the world's bestselling vehicle. Ford recently wanted to improve the fuel economy on consumer-recreational models by building a smaller version, called the F-100, using lightweight materials and a new twin-turbocharged V-6 engine engineered to be have the power of a V-8 with the fuel efficiency of a V-6 engine. There would also be a twin-turbo four-cylinder engine for similar reasons.

Now, understand here that the proposed design would be about the same size as a nineties-era F-150. That's still huge. Several executives, however, wanted it to have the same towing capacities as the old F-150s as well, even though the new design would be intended to be a fuel-efficient car alternative rather than a [censored] hauler. There would still be the full-size F-150 for people who needed it.

Engineers said the truck could have a tow capacity of 6000 lbs. Execs wanted them to amp it up to 11, to 7500 lbs. Engineers couldn't do it without sacrificing fuel-efficiency, so the whole project was scrapped.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto ... specs.html

As an aside: Is it so much to ask for the U.S. market to get a reasonably-sized pickup vehicle? The F-150 is so big that it's almost impossible to park at this point, the Ranger is almost too small, and the Tacoma and Frontier get the same mileage as some full-size trucks. :|

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks that these forums need an Automotive Board? This is really a rant, so I thought it should be in Ranting. But it's got some automotive tech stuff, too, so should it be in Tech? I dunno.

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The Luigiian wrote:P.S. Am I the only one who thinks that these forums need an Automotive Board? This is really a rant, so I thought it should be in Ranting. But it's got some automotive tech stuff, too, so should it be in Tech? I dunno.
http://2kinds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 46&start=0
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ButterBall wrote:
The Luigiian wrote:P.S. Am I the only one who thinks that these forums need an Automotive Board? This is really a rant, so I thought it should be in Ranting. But it's got some automotive tech stuff, too, so should it be in Tech? I dunno.
http://2kinds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 46&start=0
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Yes, it is possible to love a car too much.

As for cars I'd like to drive, I love the new Honda Civic, the one with the fun navigational panel. I just love Hondas in general...they're sturdy, reliable cars and that's really what I want. And a little bit of zoom :grin:

For years, though, my dream car was a yellow pick-up truck.


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It's not a broken engine mount, it's been looked at. It's some very inconsequential detail that I forget now, but in the end, it really does nothing to hurt the car, but would cost more than it's worth to fix.
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Well, I have a silverado 99 with a v6 engine, efficient on fuel enough for me.
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Let's see: what isn't selling well? Fuel-inefficient SUVs and pickup trucks. So what should they make to remain in the market? More fuel-inefficient vehicles. :| Ah well, I can't say I'm surprised. This is the company that decided it was cheaper to settle wrongful death lawsuits than change the design flaw of the Pinto.
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Kinuki wrote:This is the company that decided it was cheaper to settle wrongful death lawsuits than change the design flaw of the Pinto.
Though, considering the vehicle in question, that was probably a wise move on their part. :wink:

I really don't know about this. I like the fuel efficiency; I have no need for power. But, if you're going to have a fuel efficient truck that can't do what you want it to do, people won't buy it; they'll get a cheaper, more fuel efficient car, or a more powerful truck. A happy medium is well and good, but it may not necessarily be the best of both worlds.

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Some wants a truck for the sole purpose of having a truck. :)

(Although it did come in andy more then I expected)
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Now that I think about it, I realize this really should have been in the Rant/Vent/Sad thread... :/

Well, if the mods want to move my post or delete this thread, they're welcome to. I just thought, hey, it's news.
Let's see: what isn't selling well? Fuel-inefficient SUVs and pickup trucks. So what should they make to remain in the market? More fuel-inefficient vehicles. :| Ah well, I can't say I'm surprised. This is the company that decided it was cheaper to settle wrongful death lawsuits than change the design flaw of the Pinto.
In their defense, they're improving. The current F-150 will get the 3.5 Ecoboost fuel-efficient engine too. The 2013 model will be smaller and more fuel efficient. And other companies' vehicles like the Tundra, Silverado and Titan are worse in mileage than the F-150. The F-150 is the most fuel-efficient truck in its class. The reason this angers me has more to do with the fact that both this and the Ranger get nothing, rather than that the current F-150 is bad.
I really don't know about this. I like the fuel efficiency; I have no need for power. But, if you're going to have a fuel efficient truck that can't do what you want it to do, people won't buy it; they'll get a cheaper, more fuel efficient car, or a more powerful truck. A happy medium is well and good, but it may not necessarily be the best of both worlds.
You're right, but at the same time the current vehicles are going to extremes. The current F-150 is, I believe, eleven inches longer than my mother's old '98 F-150. I think that's a bit oversized IMHO. I mean, is it so hard to upgrade to a Superduty or HD truck if you need it?

And midsized vehicles don't make money. They aren't more fuel-efficient than a fullsize and aren't small enough to pass as compacts. But this midsizer was designed to be the same size as my mom's F-150.

Frankly, I think they should just build a truck like my mom's and add a modern turbo engine like they've got.
Some wants a truck for the sole purpose of having a truck. :)

(Although it did come in handy more then I expected)
That's my current situation. :) I do hope the new Ecoboost does well in mileage.

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You have to wonder how far up their [censored] their head is right now, they had an F-100 model for years ( manly back in the the mid late 70's and early 80's. In the 70's it was the F-100 and F150 ranger series along with the courier before the ranger became it's own truck ) As for a the turbo engine that is even more sad they dropped it, I would LOVE to see a ranger with a turbo I4, heck the 2.3lima turbo in the merkur XR4TI and the SVO stang was amazing.

What would make SO much sense to do they wont do for that very reason is to actually unify their global models, Ford has a lot of nice economical cars and light trucks world wide that you cant get in America, we just need to get America over it's disdain for Diesel fuel. There is a Ranger out in I believe Australia with a 3.0V6 diesel that gets like 30 something If I recall.


If you are concerned with fuel economy, diesel is the way to go. While they are not as fast they get better mileage. For example, according to fueleconomy,gov the 2009 Volkswagen jetta with an automatic transmission and a 2liter gasoline engine is rated for 21 city 29 highway, the same car with an automatic transmission and a 2liter diesel engine is rated for 30 city and 41 highway!
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In all honesty, car companies should start focusing more on fuel efficient vehicles. This probably has nothing to do with the topic, cause I kinda didn't understand the whole thing, but why make a car that goes from 0-60 in a second? It's rather pointless and is a gas sucker. You're encouraging people to race.

Cop cars should be made up to 120 MPH. Other cars to no more than 100 MPH. And acceleration should be decent. Like 0-45. Not 0-60.

Eh.

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epion04 wrote: If you are concerned with fuel economy, diesel is the way to go. While they are not as fast they get better mileage. For example, according to fueleconomy,gov the 2009 Volkswagen jetta with an automatic transmission and a 2liter gasoline engine is rated for 21 city 29 highway, the same car with an automatic transmission and a 2liter diesel engine is rated for 30 city and 41 highway!
Diesel can go just as fast as a gas burner, and sometimes faster if it is set up right, I have a friend that has a large diesel truck, and that thing will get up and go in a big hurry. You can also watch videos of them on youtube doing drags with diesel's and they are doing a quarter mile in a big hurry, and betting some of the gas burners out there.
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meh, i still want to build my steam powered wood burning truck someday.
a steam engine, without a turbine, could easily get up to 100 kph
its not blazing fast, but it would get you from A to B AND the fuel would be renewable and cheap
i wouldn't suggest running a whole country on them though... lets face it, there just aren't enough trees
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I simply cannot stand driving a big vehicle. You'd think I'd feel safe, but I feel less safe because I'm such a huge obstacle on the road. In fitting with my personality, I want and need to be driving a small car so that I feel nimble, in control and out of the way. If I need to merge, I don't want to have to make reservations and turn on some kind of alarm so that everyone gets out of my way. I hate driving trucks, vans aren't so bad, but I'd much prefer a car...anything that doesn't jut out the back a 50 meters.
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