Firearms anyone? Ok whos got em?

[the red soldier]

Yeah my friend has a M44 and it's a beast, thing is even louder than my 91/30, he cut the bayonet off though, I think he should left it it looked so much nicer. But it's a lot of fun, kicks a little harder than mine does, when we go to the range together folks turn off their car alarms, we tend to set them off through the walls of the range.

lol, when I braught my sks to the range once everybody was starring and was asking what kind of gun it was. Its like they never saw a military rifle before...

[lucky]

I love my sks its fun. However the next person at the range that calls my sig an ar at the range is getting sho... a swift kick to the groin. lol
my sig is awesome

but my 300 win mag makes my buddies mosin sound like a .22

[zhimoda]

The only good thing Russia ever exported was vodka and Kalashnikovs.

...glad you could actually ya know, contribute something worth while to the conversation that wasn't spam like nonsense. /sarcasm

actually I found it funny. because its true. being my thread I dont mind a few hehehes here and there.

I found a m44 at a local gun dealer for 169. then online for 79 shipped to the ffl. Hmmmm.
If next paycheck wasnt meant for bills lol then sig of course had to release a badarse 556 variant in .22lr which Im now first on the waiting list to purchase. I bought my sig too early in the game. now they have swiss furniture folding collapsable stocks and diopter sights.... that'll teach me lol

I don't mind a few "Hehe's" as you put it, but I much prefer to hear a response with something worth while to contribute as well.

Anyways, only problem I've heard of with ordering online is in a lot of cases the rifling was cut back slightly, which lowers the accuracy, it's better to be able to examine the rifle up close and personal before ya buy it. A friend of mine bought his 91/30 online and it's nearly impossible for em to hold a neat group, his shots are all over the place. I know it's not his aim cause he does just fine with mine. I went through four different 91/30's before I found one in an acceptable condition, if ya have the option to shop locally I'd recommend it.

[SlowFag]

I heart me sks. :mrgreen:

sorry had to tease ya wolfiet.

a little info. the ak47 is a machinegun the sks is a rifle. two very different class of firearms. this is why the whole which is better an m16 or an ak47 argument is retarded. I guess whats good about the sks is while ammo for my 5.56 is getting harder and harder to find 7.62 x 39 is still pretty cheap and easy to find. Im thinking about getting a mosin nagant since they are really cheap too.

Dear God, man! What did you do to that poor SKS?

Want to get technical? The AK47 is a select-fire rifle (perhaps better known as an assault rifle), and the SKS is more like a carbine (though you could still call it a rifle). Not very different. "Machine gun" doesn't get into play until you start talking about light/medium/heavy/general purpose machine guns. An RPK (a variant of the AK47) is a light machine gun. An AK47 is not.

5.56x45 is pretty easy to find. It's just pretty expensive. 7.62x39 is cheap for now, because we can buy cheap CommBlock ammo. Given that if the new president feels like it, he can sign an executive order banning the importation of ammunition, I would stock up on cheap 7.62x39 while you can.

lol, when I braught my sks to the range once everybody was starring and was asking what kind of gun it was. Its like they never saw a military rifle before...

If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

The ak is a light machine gun, its main use is to shoot in the general direction of the enemy and after some hundred rounds your bound to hit something. When you remove the safety, it goes directly to full auto, then semi.

The M16 is a rifle, made too actually hit something with minimal bullets spent. When you remove the safety, it goes to semi, then to full auto.

This explains the major diffrences between the two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BpI3xD ... annel_page

Again, the AK47 and the M16 are both select-fire rifles. But otherwise, mostly right. The AK47 is designed as a weapon of the Proletariat. It is rugged, reliable, cheap, and easy to produce. It is not particularly accurate or ergonomic, but it is easy to use. Instant Revolution: Add 1000 angry peasants, 1000 AK47's, and a few Soviet advisors, and you'll have a new Communist Paradise in no time!

The M16 is the rifle of the professional soldier. Someone who is trained to not jam on the selector switch in the heat of combat, but rather to flick it to the setting he desires. Someone who knows how to adjust iron sights for proper windage and range. It's somewhat more expensive (moreso when you start including common accessories like rail systems and optics), but is otherwise an excellent rifle.

Last time I checked it was perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns on their own terms as long as they aren't full auto or otherwise illegal. If thats not true then half of the midwest should be going to jail, myself included :P

Buying and selling to enhance your collection is one thing; in that instance, private sales are perfectly legal most places you'll go. If you're dealing in Class 3/NFA items, then of course you need to follow all applicable laws and pay all transfer taxes for these items. However, when you go about with the express intent of buying a firearm and then turning around and selling it in order to make a profit, then the BATFE considers that firearms dealing, which requires a Federal Firearms License. Dealing without a license is a felony and can result in several years in federal prison and a hefty fine (10 years/$100,000 if I remember correctly).

[enzia35]

You know your stuff SF. Are you an arfcommer?

If only the ATF were more like a convinience store.

[the red soldier]

If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

It was in its original form at the time. (heavily modified these days)

[lucky]

Dear God, man! What did you do to that poor SKS?
If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

The M16 is the rifle of the professional soldier. Someone who is trained to not jam on the selector switch in the heat of combat, but rather to flick it to the setting he desires. Someone who knows how to adjust iron sights for proper windage and range. It's somewhat more expensive (moreso when you start including common accessories like rail systems and optics), but is otherwise an excellent rifle.

Buying and selling to enhance your collection is one thing; in that instance, private sales are perfectly legal most places you'll go. If you're dealing in Class 3/NFA items, then of course you need to follow all applicable laws and pay all transfer taxes for these items. However, when you go about with the express intent of buying a firearm and then turning around and selling it in order to make a profit, then the BATFE considers that firearms dealing, which requires a Federal Firearms License. Dealing without a license is a felony and can result in several years in federal prison and a hefty fine (10 years/$100,000 if I remember correctly).

Ow. Really man? I bought it like that when I was 18 nearly 6 years ago. It was my first gun. I have a wooden stock that I ordered online that I keep put away to keep it from getting ruined. and its not tapco. the tapco stocks have an m4 style collapsable stock and the other one they make that looks like mine is made of cheap plastic.

Im pretty sure the sig 55x series rifle is the rifle of professional soldiers. they are far superior in accuracy, maintenance, and durability. Hence why I have one of them and not a ar15 variant.

If you think im into butchering firearms then your wrong. Weapons specialist dont butcher firearms. here is my sig. I got rid of sig sauers fishgill forgrips and swapped them out with some nice sigarms forgrips. same with the butt stock which came from sig sauer but was made by tapco... go figure. I replaced it with a magpul cts. would like the ubr but thats $$$ and very hard to find right now. plus Im getting a swiss lower anyway.

[SlowFag]

Dear God, man! What did you do to that poor SKS?
If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

The M16 is the rifle of the professional soldier. Someone who is trained to not jam on the selector switch in the heat of combat, but rather to flick it to the setting he desires. Someone who knows how to adjust iron sights for proper windage and range. It's somewhat more expensive (moreso when you start including common accessories like rail systems and optics), but is otherwise an excellent rifle.

Buying and selling to enhance your collection is one thing; in that instance, private sales are perfectly legal most places you'll go. If you're dealing in Class 3/NFA items, then of course you need to follow all applicable laws and pay all transfer taxes for these items. However, when you go about with the express intent of buying a firearm and then turning around and selling it in order to make a profit, then the BATFE considers that firearms dealing, which requires a Federal Firearms License. Dealing without a license is a felony and can result in several years in federal prison and a hefty fine (10 years/$100,000 if I remember correctly).

Ow. Really man? I bought it like that when I was 18 nearly 6 years ago. It was my first gun. I have a wooden stock that I ordered online that I keep put away to keep it from getting ruined. and its not tapco. the tapco stocks have an m4 style collapsable stock and the other one they make that looks like mine is made of cheap plastic.

Im pretty sure the sig 55x series rifle is the rifle of professional soldiers. they are far superior in accuracy, maintenance, and durability. Hence why I have one of them and not a ar15 variant. :mrgreen:

If you think im into butchering firearms then your wrong. Weapons specialist dont butcher firearms. here is my sig. I got rid of sig sauers fishgill forgrips and swapped them out with some nice sigarms forgrips. same with the butt stock which came from sig sauer but was made by tapco... go figure. I replaced it with a magpul cts. would like the ubr but thats $$$ and very hard to find right now. plus Im getting a swiss lower anyway.

My first gun was an AR15 I built myself at 18, so you might understand if I'm a bit snobbish when it comes to these things. From everything I've heard about the replacement kits for the fixed 10 round mags (either replacing it with a fixed 30 rounder or an adapter that lets you use AK mags), it honestly seemed like a very poor choice of components. The stock, as well, is not one I would use given the choice. I'll give you crap about it, but if it makes you happy, it's your rifle, so whatever.

Tapcof------ is a generic term for putting sub-par Made-In-China components on an otherwise respectable rifle. Unfortunately, other companies have been following in Tapco's footsteps, so it doesn't quite apply only to Tapco anymore. See also: putting airsoft components on real firearms. -.-

As for the Sig 55x series of rifles being the rifles of the professional soldier... well, I don't think it's a title that can only be held by one rifle. However, you really should quantify your arguments a little better. "More accurate?" What are we talking here? You can make an AR15 that'll do sub-MOA easily enough, so the platform is obviously capable of it. What exact accuracy benefits does a 55x series rifle have over an AR15/M16, and in which situations does it have it in? Same for maintenance. Which rifle requires armory repairs more often? Which one takes longer to field-strip? Which one takes longer to clean to be ready for a white-glove inspection? Which one takes longer to clean to be suitable for usage? Same for durability. We talking round counts, beating someone over the head with it, firing till parts failure, etc...

Your Sig does look quite nice. I'm personally not an EOTech man (I like Aimpoints). It's just as well that you don't have the cash for an UBR at the moment. I've been trying to buy one in FDE for a while, and it's hard finding a vendor who has them in stock for more then five minutes (though a few vendors do have black ones in stock). I don't think they actually have them in foliage green at the moment, so you might as well wait if you want one that'll match your forearm.

You know your stuff SF. Are you an arfcommer?

If only the ATF were more like a convinience store.

Me? An ARFCOMer? Heavens no, that'd be silly.

Hrm... one second, I think I hear a goose in distress.

[lucky]

Dear God, man! What did you do to that poor SKS?
If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

The M16 is the rifle of the professional soldier. Someone who is trained to not jam on the selector switch in the heat of combat, but rather to flick it to the setting he desires. Someone who knows how to adjust iron sights for proper windage and range. It's somewhat more expensive (moreso when you start including common accessories like rail systems and optics), but is otherwise an excellent rifle.

Buying and selling to enhance your collection is one thing; in that instance, private sales are perfectly legal most places you'll go. If you're dealing in Class 3/NFA items, then of course you need to follow all applicable laws and pay all transfer taxes for these items. However, when you go about with the express intent of buying a firearm and then turning around and selling it in order to make a profit, then the BATFE considers that firearms dealing, which requires a Federal Firearms License. Dealing without a license is a felony and can result in several years in federal prison and a hefty fine (10 years/$100,000 if I remember correctly).

Ow. Really man? I bought it like that when I was 18 nearly 6 years ago. It was my first gun. I have a wooden stock that I ordered online that I keep put away to keep it from getting ruined. and its not tapco. the tapco stocks have an m4 style collapsable stock and the other one they make that looks like mine is made of cheap plastic.

Im pretty sure the sig 55x series rifle is the rifle of professional soldiers. they are far superior in accuracy, maintenance, and durability. Hence why I have one of them and not a ar15 variant.

If you think im into butchering firearms then your wrong. Weapons specialist dont butcher firearms. here is my sig. I got rid of sig sauers fishgill forgrips and swapped them out with some nice sigarms forgrips. same with the butt stock which came from sig sauer but was made by tapco... go figure. I replaced it with a magpul cts. would like the ubr but thats $$$ and very hard to find right now. plus Im getting a swiss lower anyway.

My first gun was an AR15 I built myself at 18, so you might understand if I'm a bit snobbish when it comes to these things. From everything I've heard about the replacement kits for the fixed 10 round mags (either replacing it with a fixed 30 rounder or an adapter that lets you use AK mags), it honestly seemed like a very poor choice of components. The stock, as well, is not one I would use given the choice. I'll give you crap about it, but if it makes you happy, it's your rifle, so whatever.

Tapcof------ is a generic term for putting sub-par Made-In-China components on an otherwise respectable rifle. Unfortunately, other companies have been following in Tapco's footsteps, so it doesn't quite apply only to Tapco anymore. See also: putting airsoft components on real firearms. -.-

As for the Sig 55x series of rifles being the rifles of the professional soldier... well, I don't think it's a title that can only be held by one rifle. However, you really should quantify your arguments a little better. "More accurate?" What are we talking here? You can make an AR15 that'll do sub-MOA easily enough, so the platform is obviously capable of it. What exact accuracy benefits does a 55x series rifle have over an AR15/M16, and in which situations does it have it in? Same for maintenance. Which rifle requires armory repairs more often? Which one takes longer to field-strip? Which one takes longer to clean to be ready for a white-glove inspection? Which one takes longer to clean to be suitable for usage? Same for durability. We talking round counts, beating someone over the head with it, firing till parts failure, etc...

Your Sig does look quite nice. I'm personally not an EOTech man (I like Aimpoints). It's just as well that you don't have the cash for an UBR at the moment. I've been trying to buy one in FDE for a while, and it's hard finding a vendor who has them in stock for more then five minutes (though a few vendors do have black ones in stock). I don't think they actually have them in foliage green at the moment, so you might as well wait if you want one that'll match your forearm.

The sigs action is cleaner.piston vs. gas operated. I hate cleaning m16s so much carbon. not to say the sig doesnt have any difficult spots. accuracy is 1/4th of an inch drop at 200 yards. thats with 68 gr 5.56 hornady. Im talking out of the box accuracy and yes I know there is always a better gun. HK, FNH, Tikka, Barrett.

Funny you mention that. I have a set of swiss foregrip in black too lol. I didnt like the aimpoints. I deployed with them and they kept losing their zero. funny thing is they are made by the same company as the eotech. L3 comm. If I could have my choice in sights it would be an acog 4x32 with the 5.56 bullet drop compensator. but I cant justify spending 1300 on a scope... well not now anyway. maybe after my finances are back in order.

[SlowFag]

Dear God, man! What did you do to that poor SKS?
If it looks anything like lucky's, then it's because you tapcof----- that thing so hard that no one can recognize what the hell it started out as. If it's still in its original configuration then I dunno... I blame Canada.

The M16 is the rifle of the professional soldier. Someone who is trained to not jam on the selector switch in the heat of combat, but rather to flick it to the setting he desires. Someone who knows how to adjust iron sights for proper windage and range. It's somewhat more expensive (moreso when you start including common accessories like rail systems and optics), but is otherwise an excellent rifle.

Buying and selling to enhance your collection is one thing; in that instance, private sales are perfectly legal most places you'll go. If you're dealing in Class 3/NFA items, then of course you need to follow all applicable laws and pay all transfer taxes for these items. However, when you go about with the express intent of buying a firearm and then turning around and selling it in order to make a profit, then the BATFE considers that firearms dealing, which requires a Federal Firearms License. Dealing without a license is a felony and can result in several years in federal prison and a hefty fine (10 years/$100,000 if I remember correctly).

Ow. Really man? I bought it like that when I was 18 nearly 6 years ago. It was my first gun. I have a wooden stock that I ordered online that I keep put away to keep it from getting ruined. and its not tapco. the tapco stocks have an m4 style collapsable stock and the other one they make that looks like mine is made of cheap plastic.

Im pretty sure the sig 55x series rifle is the rifle of professional soldiers. they are far superior in accuracy, maintenance, and durability. Hence why I have one of them and not a ar15 variant. :mrgreen:

If you think im into butchering firearms then your wrong. Weapons specialist dont butcher firearms. here is my sig. I got rid of sig sauers fishgill forgrips and swapped them out with some nice sigarms forgrips. same with the butt stock which came from sig sauer but was made by tapco... go figure. I replaced it with a magpul cts. would like the ubr but thats $$$ and very hard to find right now. plus Im getting a swiss lower anyway.

My first gun was an AR15 I built myself at 18, so you might understand if I'm a bit snobbish when it comes to these things. From everything I've heard about the replacement kits for the fixed 10 round mags (either replacing it with a fixed 30 rounder or an adapter that lets you use AK mags), it honestly seemed like a very poor choice of components. The stock, as well, is not one I would use given the choice. I'll give you crap about it, but if it makes you happy, it's your rifle, so whatever.

Tapcof------ is a generic term for putting sub-par Made-In-China components on an otherwise respectable rifle. Unfortunately, other companies have been following in Tapco's footsteps, so it doesn't quite apply only to Tapco anymore. See also: putting airsoft components on real firearms. -.-

As for the Sig 55x series of rifles being the rifles of the professional soldier... well, I don't think it's a title that can only be held by one rifle. However, you really should quantify your arguments a little better. "More accurate?" What are we talking here? You can make an AR15 that'll do sub-MOA easily enough, so the platform is obviously capable of it. What exact accuracy benefits does a 55x series rifle have over an AR15/M16, and in which situations does it have it in? Same for maintenance. Which rifle requires armory repairs more often? Which one takes longer to field-strip? Which one takes longer to clean to be ready for a white-glove inspection? Which one takes longer to clean to be suitable for usage? Same for durability. We talking round counts, beating someone over the head with it, firing till parts failure, etc...

Your Sig does look quite nice. I'm personally not an EOTech man (I like Aimpoints). It's just as well that you don't have the cash for an UBR at the moment. I've been trying to buy one in FDE for a while, and it's hard finding a vendor who has them in stock for more then five minutes (though a few vendors do have black ones in stock). I don't think they actually have them in foliage green at the moment, so you might as well wait if you want one that'll match your forearm.

The sigs action is cleaner.piston vs. gas operated. I hate cleaning m16s so much carbon. not to say the sig doesnt have any difficult spots. accuracy is 1/4th of an inch drop at 200 yards. :mrgreen: thats with 68 gr 5.56 hornady. Im talking out of the box accuracy and yes I know there is always a better gun. HK, FNH, Tikka, Barrett.

Funny you mention that. I have a set of swiss foregrip in black too lol. I didnt like the aimpoints. I deployed with them and they kept losing their zero. funny thing is they are made by the same company as the eotech. L3 comm. If I could have my choice in sights it would be an acog 4x32 with the 5.56 bullet drop compensator. but I cant justify spending 1300 on a scope... well not now anyway. maybe after my finances are back in order.

Having had a gas piston op AR15 (LWRC M6A1), it's really not all that it's cracked up to be. Within the platform, you add weight, lose parts compatibility, increase costs, increase felt recoil, add complexity... it does what it says it does (keeps the action cleaner), but the difference in reliability and difficulty in cleaning is pretty minute.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in terms of "bullet drop." That's generally a function of bullet velocity, your zero, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient. Minute of Angle (MOA) measures group size (IE, accuracy). 1 MOA is 1 inch at 100 yards; that is, all bullets will fall within a circle one inch in diameter at 100 yards. With an AK47, you might expect accuracy of 4-6 MOA with most ammunition. An M16 might give you 2 MOA. I rather doubt your Sig is throwing 1/8 MOA (that'd be 1/4 of an inch at 200 yards), especially with an EOTech on it, considering their reticles are large enough that you'd have a bit of difficulty holding the rifle to that sort of precision (the dot itself in an EOTech is usually like 1 MOA - that is, it covers 1 inch of a target that is 100 yards away. Aimpoints are generally available in either 2 or 4 MOA). Of course, if you're sticking your rifle in a ransom rest it's conceivable you might get 1/8 MOA out of it, or if you've put some good glass on it to test it out. Perhaps you did it with irons. Regardless, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

As for who owns what, I believe you are mistaken. While L3 Communications does own EOTech, I believe GS Development owns Aimpoint.

If we're talking actual glass and not red dots/holosights, I'd take a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T on a LaRue mount. 1-3x mag, illuminated reticle, good stuff. ACOGs are nice, but I just can't get used to using a magnified optic close in. But, uh, I don't have a grand+ to throw at glass either. Not right now, at any rate.

[the red soldier]

Hay [yokel], seems I was wrong about the paintball guns, you cant just pick them off from the shelves. There all locked up at the same place as the ammunition and pellets. Big surprise there....

[lucky]

Having had a gas piston op AR15 (LWRC M6A1), it's really not all that it's cracked up to be. Within the platform, you add weight, lose parts compatibility, increase costs, increase felt recoil, add complexity... it does what it says it does (keeps the action cleaner), but the difference in reliability and difficulty in cleaning is pretty minute.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean in terms of "bullet drop." That's generally a function of bullet velocity, your zero, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient. Minute of Angle (MOA) measures group size (IE, accuracy). 1 MOA is 1 inch at 100 yards; that is, all bullets will fall within a circle one inch in diameter at 100 yards. With an AK47, you might expect accuracy of 4-6 MOA with most ammunition. An M16 might give you 2 MOA. I rather doubt your Sig is throwing 1/8 MOA (that'd be 1/4 of an inch at 200 yards), especially with an EOTech on it, considering their reticles are large enough that you'd have a bit of difficulty holding the rifle to that sort of precision (the dot itself in an EOTech is usually like 1 MOA - that is, it covers 1 inch of a target that is 100 yards away. Aimpoints are generally available in either 2 or 4 MOA). Of course, if you're sticking your rifle in a ransom rest it's conceivable you might get 1/8 MOA out of it, or if you've put some good glass on it to test it out. Perhaps you did it with irons. Regardless, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

As for who owns what, I believe you are mistaken. While L3 Communications does own EOTech, I believe GS Development owns Aimpoint.

If we're talking actual glass and not red dots/holosights, I'd take a Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T on a LaRue mount. 1-3x mag, illuminated reticle, good stuff. ACOGs are nice, but I just can't get used to using a magnified optic close in. But, uh, I don't have a grand+ to throw at glass either. Not right now, at any rate.

actually compared to the airforces M16A2s my sig has no kick at all.

No Im not saying its shoots a 1/4th moa at 200 yards that would be insane. Ok here is what I am trying to say the group you shoot at 100 yards whether it be 1 moa or 6 moa will move 1/4th of an inch down from its current location at 200 yards. hence bullet drop. I sure you know a bullet doesnt travel in a straight line but an arc. the further away you are the higher you have to point the barrel to compensate. BDCs or bullet drop compensators are built into scopes such as the acog, and leupolds mark 4 cq/t tactical scope which is very nice. a bit bulky for my taste though. remember you have to carry it around.

Nope 100% certain L3 owns aimpoint. just at the gunstore today l3 was on the box.

have you seen the new glass from burris the XTR 1X-4. That thing is nice. also bulky but nice.

[SlowFag]

Having had a gas piston op AR15 (LWRC M6A1), it's really not all that it's cracked up to be. Within the platform, you add weight, lose parts compatibility, increase costs, increase felt recoil, add complexity... it does what it says it does (keeps the action cleaner), but the difference in reliability and difficulty in cleaning is pretty minute.

actually compared to the airforces M16A2s my sig has no kick at all.

No Im not saying its shoots a 1/4th moa at 200 yards that would be insane. Ok here is what I am trying to say the group you shoot at 100 yards whether it be 1 moa or 6 moa will move 1/4th of an inch down from its current location at 200 yards. hence bullet drop. I sure you know a bullet doesnt travel in a straight line but an arc. the further away you are the higher you have to point the barrel to compensate. BDCs or bullet drop compensators are built into scopes such as the acog, and leupolds mark 4 cq/t tactical scope which is very nice. a bit bulky for my taste though. remember you have to carry it around. :P

Nope 100% certain L3 owns aimpoint. just at the gunstore today l3 was on the box.

have you seen the new glass from burris the XTR 1X-4. That thing is nice. also bulky but nice. :mrgreen:

I mentioned increased felt recoil within the platform. Your Sig may very well have a lower felt recoil due to various design factors (a large contributor towards decreasing felt recoil is increased weight; AR's are very light weapons. An M4 is about 1.5 lbs lighter than a 551, give or take a few ounces). However, an AR15 with a gas piston op system will have (in my experience) increased felt recoil over a direct impingement AR15. While the piston op AR15 has additional weight, it also has a reciprocating mass that is above the bore, which can (and does) increase felt recoil. Their unlock and extraction cycles also tend to be more violent than DI AR's, which also increases felt recoil.

They clearly don't teach you to be riflemen in the USAF. Zero your irons with a 50/200 improved battle zero and get back to me. Your POI will be below POA under 50 yards (how much depends on your sight offset), above POA between 50 and 200 (no more than 2 inches higher), below POA past 200 (2 inches below at 250), and at POA at 50 and 200. You can set this up for any 5.56 rifle with a barrel between 14.5 inches and 20 inches in length shooting M193 or M855 spec (or equivalent) ammunition.

L3 owns EOTech, it does not own Aimpoint. GS Development AB owns Aimpoint. Unless L3 somehow has some backdoor control over GS Development, you are wrong. And considering that EOTech/L3 recently sued Aimpoint and the US Gov., I'm pretty sure you're really, really wrong.

Haven't seen Burris' new glass. Not all that interested in Burris, TBH.

[lucky]

I mentioned increased felt recoil within the platform. Your Sig may very well have a lower felt recoil due to various design factors (a large contributor towards decreasing felt recoil is increased weight; AR's are very light weapons. An M4 is about 1.5 lbs lighter than a 551, give or take a few ounces). However, an AR15 with a gas piston op system will have (in my experience) increased felt recoil over a direct impingement AR15. While the piston op AR15 has additional weight, it also has a reciprocating mass that is above the bore, which can (and does) increase felt recoil. Their unlock and extraction cycles also tend to be more violent than DI AR's, which also increases felt recoil.

They clearly don't teach you to be riflemen in the USAF. Zero your irons with a 50/200 improved battle zero and get back to me. Your POI will be below POA under 50 yards (how much depends on your sight offset), above POA between 50 and 200 (no more than 2 inches higher), below POA past 200 (2 inches below at 250), and at POA at 50 and 200. You can set this up for any 5.56 rifle with a barrel between 14.5 inches and 20 inches in length shooting M193 or M855 spec (or equivalent) ammunition.

L3 owns EOTech, it does not own Aimpoint. GS Development AB owns Aimpoint. Unless L3 somehow has some backdoor control over GS Development, you are wrong. And considering that EOTech/L3 recently sued Aimpoint and the US Gov., I'm pretty sure you're really, really wrong.

Haven't seen Burris' new glass. Not all that interested in Burris, TBH.

oh gotcha.

lol I could have told you that. they just teach how to take the rifle apart, put it back together, basic marksman techniques. then you go shoot. all in the course of 1 whole day. not really a good way to learn.

weird.

also just curious but how did you come up with your screen name?

[SlowFag]

I mentioned increased felt recoil within the platform. Your Sig may very well have a lower felt recoil due to various design factors (a large contributor towards decreasing felt recoil is increased weight; AR's are very light weapons. An M4 is about 1.5 lbs lighter than a 551, give or take a few ounces). However, an AR15 with a gas piston op system will have (in my experience) increased felt recoil over a direct impingement AR15. While the piston op AR15 has additional weight, it also has a reciprocating mass that is above the bore, which can (and does) increase felt recoil. Their unlock and extraction cycles also tend to be more violent than DI AR's, which also increases felt recoil.

They clearly don't teach you to be riflemen in the USAF. Zero your irons with a 50/200 improved battle zero and get back to me. Your POI will be below POA under 50 yards (how much depends on your sight offset), above POA between 50 and 200 (no more than 2 inches higher), below POA past 200 (2 inches below at 250), and at POA at 50 and 200. You can set this up for any 5.56 rifle with a barrel between 14.5 inches and 20 inches in length shooting M193 or M855 spec (or equivalent) ammunition.

L3 owns EOTech, it does not own Aimpoint. GS Development AB owns Aimpoint. Unless L3 somehow has some backdoor control over GS Development, you are wrong. And considering that EOTech/L3 recently sued Aimpoint and the US Gov., I'm pretty sure you're really, really wrong.

Haven't seen Burris' new glass. Not all that interested in Burris, TBH.

oh gotcha.

lol I could have told you that. they just teach how to take the rifle apart, put it back together, basic marksman techniques. then you go shoot. all in the course of 1 whole day. not really a good way to learn.

weird. :?

also just curious but how did you come up with your screen name?

SlowFag == The Slowest Drawfag Ever.

I got hooked into doing some TwoKinds /34/ on an imageboard, and I'm really slow at it.