My only response to that: "And it makes me sick when I think of it all my heroes could not live with this. And I hope you live in peace because with us you never did."SperoWolf wrote:Every time I see a famous actor passed away and someone posted their little, obligatory "RIP Mr. whoever :,(" I get a good smile.
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I might get an account warning but whatever.
Are you absolutely [censored] kidding me here? I'm honestly grasping at air here for explanations, and the only one I can come up with is that you have an ego the size of a planet.
Now, I'll begin by pointing out where you're right: Famous people aren't any more special than anyone else, and they all die too. Except, wait, are they? Your implication is that all famous people are drug-addled airheads who are famous for no good reason, which by the way is completely false.
Let me put it this way: If Kanye West died right now, I wouldn't give a single [censored]. However, I can list four people who've died within the past 6 years who I was extremely sad to see go: Robin Williams, Satoru Iwata, Steve Jobs, and Michael Jackson, in reverse order by year. I wasn't sad because I thought I knew them. I wasn't sad because I have some delusion that famous people are inhumanly worthy of attention. I was sad because I knew that I would never again listen to an original Michael Jackson song. I will never watch another new Robin Williams movie. No new Nintendo games will have Satoru Iwata's name in the credits, and I know that Apple products have already begun to decline - Steve Jobs' pre-planning was only set ahead 5 years.
These people were special, not because they were my friends, but because they made a mark on the world and on me as a consumer of their creations. So when I grieved for them, I was paying some goddamn respect for their loss.
And yet, you act as though it were laughable to grieve for the death of someone famous, even though you yourself admit to grieving at the death of a youtuber you've never met. The irony is both delicious and damning. "God, I at least hope they're pretending," you say, acting as though people genuinely moved must be brain-dead. How it must feel to wield such a powerful intellect, one above, of all things, social cognition and empathy!
Basically, all I have to say is: Stop pretending to be so world-weary and cynical. You aren't jaded; You're just devoid of empathy. Get off your high [censored] horse, you pretentious [censored].
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Are you absolutely [censored] kidding me here? I'm honestly grasping at air here for explanations, and the only one I can come up with is that you have an ego the size of a planet.
Now, I'll begin by pointing out where you're right: Famous people aren't any more special than anyone else, and they all die too. Except, wait, are they? Your implication is that all famous people are drug-addled airheads who are famous for no good reason, which by the way is completely false.
Let me put it this way: If Kanye West died right now, I wouldn't give a single [censored]. However, I can list four people who've died within the past 6 years who I was extremely sad to see go: Robin Williams, Satoru Iwata, Steve Jobs, and Michael Jackson, in reverse order by year. I wasn't sad because I thought I knew them. I wasn't sad because I have some delusion that famous people are inhumanly worthy of attention. I was sad because I knew that I would never again listen to an original Michael Jackson song. I will never watch another new Robin Williams movie. No new Nintendo games will have Satoru Iwata's name in the credits, and I know that Apple products have already begun to decline - Steve Jobs' pre-planning was only set ahead 5 years.
These people were special, not because they were my friends, but because they made a mark on the world and on me as a consumer of their creations. So when I grieved for them, I was paying some goddamn respect for their loss.
And yet, you act as though it were laughable to grieve for the death of someone famous, even though you yourself admit to grieving at the death of a youtuber you've never met. The irony is both delicious and damning. "God, I at least hope they're pretending," you say, acting as though people genuinely moved must be brain-dead. How it must feel to wield such a powerful intellect, one above, of all things, social cognition and empathy!
Basically, all I have to say is: Stop pretending to be so world-weary and cynical. You aren't jaded; You're just devoid of empathy. Get off your high [censored] horse, you pretentious [censored].
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Thank you for that response MyPerson, honestly could not have written it better myself. I'm sorry Spero, I don't mean to pile on, but he does bring up some good points. I mean, it seems to me that you're telling us we shouldn't mourn someone who passed away unless we knew them personally. Like I said in my last post, I didn't know Daniel that well because I didn't watch but so many of their videos, but I still felt bad when I heard the news of his passing. Also...Myperson54 wrote:I might get an account warning but whatever.-snip-Sperowolf wrote:3edgy
Ok, that's definitely not cool pal. It seems like a pretty tasteless comment if you ask me.SperoWolf wrote:It's entertaining, though; you have to give it that much. If you can't beat em, laugh heartily at their expense.
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Your response is more telling than anything I can say.SperoWolf wrote:Oh nooooo, not childish heckling. Let me go cry for an hour... oh wait.
I say that it's ridiculous when people act sad because they're told to, and your pathetic little self-value absolutely shatters because you've mourned a celebrity. I never said that I was against people mourning celebrities they were close to, I said that it was laughable when people "mourn" someone they saw once or twice in a movie and knew nothing about; making a big deal over it to seem empathetic and using the passing of a human being that they never cared for as a ploy for attention.
You're a laugh, a joke, a blatant waste of space. You've shown yourself to have the patience and comprehension of a child, and honestly it's hard not to feel pretentious with you in the near vicinity; that is if you actually aren't a young child like you conduct yourself to be (in which case I do apologize sincerely). I can say pretending to be sad about the passing of someone you didn't know is hilarious without you whipping out your big boy pants and trying to be offensive; which by the way, you are terrible at.
Grow up, learn that people have different opinions and irks, and get the [censored] out of my face before you further humiliate your clearly inadequate self. What an arrogant brat you've found yourself to be, I do hope you feel special. I'm torn whether to define you as immature or an imbecile, or if you were even worth a reply. I'm honestly just wasting my metaphoric breath on you because I know people using death for attention enrages me and I am unsure as to if I came across in the way I meant to. If it was "If you're willing to use someone's death as a form of attention whoring, [censored] you you [censored]", then I'd say I hit the nail on the head.
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In all seriousness, it might be best if we just drop this.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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FrogSteaks wrote:Ok, that's definitely not cool pal. It seems like a pretty tasteless comment if you ask me.SperoWolf wrote:It's entertaining, though; you have to give it that much. If you can't beat em, laugh heartily at their expense.
Gotta agree with FrogSteaks here. Spero, yes this is the rant/vent/sad thread. But at the same time, this is the rant/vent/sad thread. Someone just expressed sorrow over the death of an internet celebrity and you, at the same time, admitted to finding some sort of joy over their type of sorrow at times. That's not cool. Like ever.
Now, don't get me twisted. I'm not saying that we should grieve over everyone that dies nor should we treat each death clinically. Everyone grieves differently after all. But the thing is that a celebrity, by nature of what they are, is a public person. By nature of what they do, they share a portion of what we would consider private with the public as a whole. Whether it's their anguish in their music, their force of personality in a movie, or even just their steadfast belief in themselves; celebrities share a portion of themselves when they take the stage. So, when they die, people resonate with the loss of this portion that they shared with us. So nobody is slapping this celebrity's name when the celebrity dies, even when they have barely known them. Even though we may have held onto a small portion of them, it was still a small portion of someone else; a connection with another that is lost. It's only natural to grieve, if only for a moment, over the death of someone like that.
For instance, I recently learned that the elderly lady of an elderly couple in my neighbourhood died of cancer a few years ago. Combined, I maybe interacted with them for maybe a days worth of hours before they moved. I knew less of them than I do of Hugh Laurie. Yet when I learned they died, I was immensely saddened. I would like to think that I'm not slapping her name around when I was saddened by her passing. If someone who contributed so little to my own life could make me sad despite having never truly interacted with them, why should I not be saddened if Hugh Laurie were to suddenly die? I watched all of House and I know him better than the wife above. But still, I would grieve because I knew something from him from what I saw and knew of him.
And quite frankly, MyPerson54 has the right to be frustrated with you. While he was brash and hot in that response, your initial response was as every bit as low as his. There's no excuse for it. You telling him to grow up and telling him to learn that people have different opinions and how people can become upset was also out of place because, from what I can tell, that is exactly what he's doing. He saw your opinion, was enraged by it, and then decided to voice his frustration and anger; and you responded by making fun of him for it by calling him childish and telling him to grow up. You failed to show the same virtues that you want to uphold. You did not show you could be patient by trying to maybe talk it over with him and explaining your line of logic, you did not show maturity in your first response, and you are failing to show respect even now by taking a moral high ground and acting as if he did not have the right to be frustrated by how he interpreted your statement. Finally, you say that you want him to understand that the world is full of legitimate points and he should wake up to it when you're completely ignoring the fact that his frustration and points are also entirely legitimate since it is extremely easy for a rational person to become upset when faced with someone who states something that sounds as if they derive some sort of enjoyment from another person's grieving. You should not lead by what you say but by what you do.
Also, I'm not going to respond to any responses to this. Not because I feel like there aren't flaws in my logic, since there certainly is one or two here or there. I'm not perfect after all. But I do not have the time to write a nuanced answer for anything not relating to my work or classes over the next several days, at which point this will have blown over.
TL;DR: Both of you screwed up. Apologize if you want but drop it and move on.
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I'll apologize for my tone, certainly. I wrote not out of enragement, but out of annoyance. I saw a haughty position and called Spero out on it, and although I stand by my opinion, I could have voiced it better, certainly.
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As a point to consider, in the case of suicide in particular it may be more respectful to the deceased to not grieve, insomuch as possible. It's not altogether uncommon to find someone who only hasn't killed themselves because of how devastating it would be to others -- most often their parents. I can't speak to this case in particular because I have no idea who this person was, but it might still be reasonable of me to assume that they did this despite the inevitable reaction, not because of it. When someone like that slips the leash, I do my best to let them go.
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Spero, I find I have to agree with MP on this one. I find your reaction to be childish and cruel. I'll leave your fate to the whims of the mods.
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So I got my laptop back from the tech desk at school today. It's been in and out since the beginning of August, mostly in. They replaced the main board, bringing the total work done on it since it started having problems to : Completely wiped once, one new install of Windows 7, and main board replaced twice. They've done everything short of walking to the store and handing me a new machine off the shelf. And y'know what? IT STILL DON'T WORK!
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Point that out to THEM - maybe they'll respond by handing you a new machine off the shelf.TheFrozenSlime wrote:So I got my laptop back from the tech desk at school today. It's been in and out since the beginning of August, mostly in. They replaced the main board, bringing the total work done on it since it started having problems to : Completely wiped once, one new install of Windows 7, and main board replaced twice. They've done everything short of walking to the store and handing me a new machine off the shelf. And y'know what? IT STILL DON'T WORK!
Or maybe they'll investigate your location to see if the real problem lies there. Wonky power can make electronics behave strangely, even if it isn't wonky enough to quickly destroy them.
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I would've told them, but they had gone home for the day by the time I got back there. I've never had any problems with them before, and I'm pretty sure that getting an entirely new machine is about the only thing they can do. I hope they don't have to; the laptops the school gives you now has half the HD as mine and a smaller screen size.Warrl wrote:Point that out to THEM - maybe they'll respond by handing you a new machine off the shelf.
Or maybe they'll investigate your location to see if the real problem lies there. Wonky power can make electronics behave strangely, even if it isn't wonky enough to quickly destroy them.
And I doubt it has anything to do with the power in my house, it had been there since I got it and it's never had any troubles.
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Time to roll up my sleeves and start dishing out some JUSTICE account warnings since my forum members want to act like being upset about a topic grants them immunity to the rules. If I had things my way, I'd find each of you IRL and slap you upside the back of the head, but I'll have to settle for some account warnings.
I'll unlock this thread once I'm done.
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Done. When both of you clowns get back from your bans, come talk to me if you have any concerns you want to voice.
As for everyone else, stay civil, you guys know better.
I'll unlock this thread once I'm done.
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Done. When both of you clowns get back from your bans, come talk to me if you have any concerns you want to voice.
As for everyone else, stay civil, you guys know better.
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My father took a severe turn for the worse early this week. His condition deteriorated to the point he became emaciated and malnourished. My brother and I found him collapsed in his bathroom and had to call 911. He's currently stable in the Intensive Care Unit of a hospital near my home but is unable to move under his own power.Schrodinger wrote:My father has been having a rough time of it that past six weeks, severe abdominal pains when he eats or drinks and it's interrupting his sleep. My brother and I take him to the hospital for testing Saturday morning and I don't hear back until late that night, the news is not good, results are indicating he has liver and pancreatic cancer. Not all that surprising for me since he's had a history of cancer previously (melanoma that cost him a significant portion of his right arm) but it hit my brother especially hard and we don't have confirmation on the condition and have to speak to a specialist. Did some research myself and survival rates are promising with surgery but I may be losing my father sometime in the next five years. It just hit me.
Further tests have all but confirmed that my father has advanced metastatic pancreatic and liver cancer. A biopsy would be needed to definitively confirm the prognosis but at this point the family agrees that unless he can regain his strength any kind of surgery (let alone cancer treatment) would do more harm than good. The outlook is grim. Forget five years, I may lose my father in the next few weeks.
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My Husband and I, after losing our 17 year old dog last year in October, decided to take the step into adopting a new member for the family. He had been insistent that he wanted a snake. I was completely against it, having a huge fear of snakes. We ended up going to a reptile show, that I told him about mind you and held my first snake there. A just over 1 year old Amel Bloodred CornSnake. I couldn't bring myself to leave without her cute little face.
Two weeks later, she's somehow escaped her cage and we can't find her anywhere. My heart is torn cause I love her so much and I wanted to hold her and realized she was gone. It makes me feel like I was a bad Mother to her that she had to get out and just go.. we don't think she wen't outside but we also didn't think she'd be able to get out. We're moving in November so we hope she turns up before then but.. I just can't get over this sickening feeling that I'll never see her again. I'm doing my best not to break down and just sob for hours. On top of that we have an apartment inspection today. The place was spotless until we tore it up last night.. part of me hopes they find her during the inspection, just cause I want her back and the other part of me hopes they don't. I'm afraid if they do they'll try to break our lease or something.
Two weeks later, she's somehow escaped her cage and we can't find her anywhere. My heart is torn cause I love her so much and I wanted to hold her and realized she was gone. It makes me feel like I was a bad Mother to her that she had to get out and just go.. we don't think she wen't outside but we also didn't think she'd be able to get out. We're moving in November so we hope she turns up before then but.. I just can't get over this sickening feeling that I'll never see her again. I'm doing my best not to break down and just sob for hours. On top of that we have an apartment inspection today. The place was spotless until we tore it up last night.. part of me hopes they find her during the inspection, just cause I want her back and the other part of me hopes they don't. I'm afraid if they do they'll try to break our lease or something.
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