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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22291 Post by Tesla Foxtrot » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:49 pm

So I found someone that stole my artwork and its up on E621 and Deviantart, I wouldnt be mad if the person hadnt write " made by me ".

Also a Forum-User uses that image but that im just happy for seeing people like my stuff.
So I guess its an accomplishment that I got artwork on E621!
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22292 Post by Warrl » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:16 pm

Tesla Foxtrot wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:49 pm
So I found someone that stole my artwork and its up on E621 and Deviantart, I wouldnt be mad if the person hadnt write " made by me ".

Also a Forum-User uses that image but that im just happy for seeing people like my stuff.
So I guess its an accomplishment that I got artwork on E621!
I'm not familiar with E621's policies, but I'm pretty sure that DeviantArt gets nasty about people falsely claiming a work is theirs - if, of course, they are shown good evidence to the contrary. Such as an earlier posting of the same art by someone else.

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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22293 Post by Tesla Foxtrot » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:19 pm

Warrl wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:16 pm

I'm not familiar with E621's policies, but I'm pretty sure that DeviantArt gets nasty about people falsely claiming a work is theirs - if, of course, they are shown good evidence to the contrary. Such as an earlier posting of the same art by someone else.
Thats the thing, i post it on private upload ( google images cus why knot as i didnt have a FA account back then )

And well, I posted it here in the forum, it has a date set to it but i dunno how much evidence that is as then i would link them to a forum post.
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There, Both deviant art and e621 been sent to, i got a wierd feeling about it but yeah.
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22294 Post by Tetrahedron » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:51 pm

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So, I learned a few days that most of the ranks in the U.S. Army earn potentially less than Richbach (because he's rich, I say "Richbach" now) per month due to his Patreon. And then that made me sad and kinda mad. I mean, imagine this:
"Ma'am, we're sorry that your husband died in the line of duty, leaving you with three young children to raise by yourself. He sacrificed himself by covering the fragmentation grenade with his own body to dampen the blow to his squad. If it helps any, ma'am, some guy on Patreon who just sketches a little bit and just colors in coloring books, for 200 dollars, basically earned potentially twice as much as your deceased husband, may he rest in peace..."

I mean, doesn't that somewhat upset anyone else? And really, 200 dollars for coloring an old sketch. Do you know how much actual useful things, like food and utilities, that that can buy? Like, that's a whole freakin' lot if you're frugal/poor/been poor/know how much money is actually worth. I don't know, I guess I'm just kind of upset that I know people who's husbands or wives are deceased, and they have to raise their children by themselves, and make a whole lot less than some guy on Patreon. And I'm not just talking about the army or military or whatever now. A friend of mine lost her husband and has to raise her child, while her job is giving her less and less hours, she's 50 years old, so finding a new job at her age is very difficult, and she gets less than 1,000 dollars a month now, and she's also having to put her child through his first year of college (which is expensive to use poor people). Not to mention her still having to buy food, pay her house payment, electricity, her car, insurance, and everything else like that.
And no, I'm not trying to flame on Tom, I'm just mad and upset at the circumstance (though, 200 dollars for coloring an old sketch, not even creating anything new, does really grind my gears so much that the cog's teeth have been grinded into dust. That's like buying a page from a coloring book that was already colored. At least to me it is).
I don't know, I guess this is just one of the cases where the poor people are mad at the rich, and where the rich person just keeps getting richer.

(I'm not trying to be a meanie, by the way. I mean, this is a rant/vent/sad thread, and some of this has been bottled up for awhile now.)
Even if most may think other, I am more or less with you. I am fine with our artist earning money, but the 200$ quite shocked me. Correct me, if i am wrong, but this is monthly? For coloring a picture it is quite a lot i my opinion. For example i kickstarted a PC game and got Earlyy access, physical copy, a figure and an individual engraved coin and shirt, digial sequel, and... For 150$
Well, andd i am ashamed for looking at pictures other people pay thishis much for. It feels like stealing...
On the otherer hand, if somebody has more free money than my disability insurance and my defence insurance together, it iss up to them what theyy do with it. I say thank you for the pictures. =)

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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22295 Post by Zakkerus » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm

Tetrahedron wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:51 pm
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:50 pm
So, I learned a few days that most of the ranks in the U.S. Army earn potentially less than Richbach (because he's rich, I say "Richbach" now) per month due to his Patreon. And then that made me sad and kinda mad. I mean, imagine this:
"Ma'am, we're sorry that your husband died in the line of duty, leaving you with three young children to raise by yourself. He sacrificed himself by covering the fragmentation grenade with his own body to dampen the blow to his squad. If it helps any, ma'am, some guy on Patreon who just sketches a little bit and just colors in coloring books, for 200 dollars, basically earned potentially twice as much as your deceased husband, may he rest in peace..."

I mean, doesn't that somewhat upset anyone else? And really, 200 dollars for coloring an old sketch. Do you know how much actual useful things, like food and utilities, that that can buy? Like, that's a whole freakin' lot if you're frugal/poor/been poor/know how much money is actually worth. I don't know, I guess I'm just kind of upset that I know people who's husbands or wives are deceased, and they have to raise their children by themselves, and make a whole lot less than some guy on Patreon. And I'm not just talking about the army or military or whatever now. A friend of mine lost her husband and has to raise her child, while her job is giving her less and less hours, she's 50 years old, so finding a new job at her age is very difficult, and she gets less than 1,000 dollars a month now, and she's also having to put her child through his first year of college (which is expensive to use poor people). Not to mention her still having to buy food, pay her house payment, electricity, her car, insurance, and everything else like that.
And no, I'm not trying to flame on Tom, I'm just mad and upset at the circumstance (though, 200 dollars for coloring an old sketch, not even creating anything new, does really grind my gears so much that the cog's teeth have been grinded into dust. That's like buying a page from a coloring book that was already colored. At least to me it is).
I don't know, I guess this is just one of the cases where the poor people are mad at the rich, and where the rich person just keeps getting richer.

(I'm not trying to be a meanie, by the way. I mean, this is a rant/vent/sad thread, and some of this has been bottled up for awhile now.)
Even if most may think other, I am more or less with you. I am fine with our artist earning money, but the 200$ quite shocked me. Correct me, if i am wrong, but this is monthly? For coloring a picture it is quite a lot i my opinion. For example i kickstarted a PC game and got Earlyy access, physical copy, a figure and an individual engraved coin and shirt, digial sequel, and... For 150$
Well, andd i am ashamed for looking at pictures other people pay thishis much for. It feels like stealing...
On the otherer hand, if somebody has more free money than my disability insurance and my defence insurance together, it iss up to them what theyy do with it. I say thank you for the pictures. =)
Yes, he does indeed earn over 4,500 dollars a month via Patreon (and the Nora Card are always sold out too, so, apparently three individuals with mighty fine paychecks keep it locked down under their boots, well, fancy loafers ((Get it? 'Cause they're rich?)). Yeah, I'm fine with him earning money too, but this is a bit too extreme of an earning for my taste. I myself would feel honored if I even just earn 20 extra dollars a month from complete strangers on the Internet. It actually kind of makes me a little sick looking at that earning (I'm still not bashing at Richbach, just the situation, I suppose... More or less. Well, maybe I am bashing on him a little tiny, insy-winsy bit for the 200 dollar coloring book pages. I mean, someone can color the sketches themselves in an app so simple as MS Paint and it still look pretty good, I've seen it before). And if someone asks for money for a food drive, or other charities, no one barely gives a cent... *Does community service and has seen the very small amounts of food and money given at times*

I am glad that someone agrees with me, more or less. It's very refreshing. Haha, I was thinking that I would be flamed into oblivion and given a super ban for my thoughts and options on this matter.

(Also, on an unrelated note, I feel as if I might use parentheses a bit too much... :potatoes: )

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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22296 Post by Kellard » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:50 am

Why can't I just ask for help? It seems that no matter how much I suffer, something tells me to not do it... I don't think it could be pride... so what could it be? I keep telling myself that if things get too bad I'll go ask someone for help, but it never happens. I simply take the beating until it's over. Doesn't matter how bad it may be.
I don't even tell anyone. I feel like I would just be a nuisance dragging other people into my problems, which is why this is the only place I could come to to vent.
This behavior is just constantly damaging me, without me being able to do anything about it. Just another problem to add to the list...
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22297 Post by Lordadmiral Drake » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:06 am

Kellard wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:50 am
Why can't I just ask for help? It seems that no matter how much I suffer, something tells me to not do it... I don't think it could be pride... so what could it be? I keep telling myself that if things get too bad I'll go ask someone for help, but it never happens. I simply take the beating until it's over. Doesn't matter how bad it may be.
I don't even tell anyone. I feel like I would just be a nuisance dragging other people into my problems, which is why this is the only place I could come to to vent.
This behavior is just constantly damaging me, without me being able to do anything about it. Just another problem to add to the list...
I know the feeling, unfortunately I also have to yet find a solution
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22298 Post by Akira110 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:16 pm

Vacation fell through last week, sorta didn't recover from the resulting full blown [censored] depression til today. Those who don't know. My life fell apart, hard, in early october. My father went in for heart surgery, he had a triple bypass and a stint put in. I also have a godfather who has had two strokes and a heart attack scare that tries to do things that he shouldn't be doing, because he's stubborn, also he barely eats. On top of this, I deal with a man who has been drunk, every [censored] day for a month straight. Every day. Said drunk also once threatened my father with a gun. My father has decided to return to chain smoking and eating as unhealthy as he did before. No joke, on Sunday, he had two whoppers for dinner. As in the burger king hamburger. He was so proud of all this weight he lost, nevermind that it's all more than likely muscle as he doesn't really go out and do anything and he seems determined to do everything that got him into the mess he was in only a month ago, all over again. And the only person that I can even for certain say that I trust around here moved away. Back to my old home town, but eh. Said person is my younger brother, he's 25 and moved to get a better job, and I'm proud of him, but that means I'm stuck here, with no one to share the burden with, watching my entire family go down the shitter of their own accord.

I needed this [censored] vacation. But the reason why it fell through was because the people I'd be staying with for a week decided to disrespect me by not only going behind my back, but crossing the line that I had set in stone as the line I wasn't going to cross. I ain't got a license, but I'll be damned if I'm letting my father drive 160 miles, 80 of that without someone being there while he's still recovering from goddamn heart surgery. So I decided that I was going to try to take a bus, but of course, at every turn that kept getting questioned. Which by the way, pissed me off. I figured that I was going to have my brother take me up there someday, but that wouldn't be any time this year. And the only reason I need a ride is that I ain't got a license, but if you saw the way people drive where I live, you'd not be at all surprised. I'd rather be on foot so I would be a smaller target than be in a car and present an easily hit target for all the [censored] who think that not only do they not need to see where they are going, but do not believe that they ever need to yield to anything.

Long story short: [censored] my week last week.

Addendum: The reason what my father is doing is pissing me off so much is that seeing him in a hospital bed made me think, "Holy [censored], that could one day be me right there." my entire decision was to start eating better and start eating more healthy. I've been kicking my own [censored] with exercise, just so that I could end each day with a caloric deficit, so that my body will burn the fat that I've stored over the last decade and a half, meanwhile I've been trying to build up lean muscle tissue, making myself healthier. Watching my father do the same exact thing he did before his heart surgery is like a slap in my face.
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22299 Post by MoonSticks » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:54 am

I love her so much, but baby moon getting me up at this time (3:50am in the uk) is becoming tiresome :(

Kids: a good night sleep? Who needs it? (;_;)
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22300 Post by Tesla Foxtrot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:34 pm

MoonSticks wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:54 am
I love her so much, but baby moon getting me up at this time (3:50am in the uk) is becoming tiresome :(

Kids: a good night sleep? Who needs it? (;_;)
Awww. Wish you well :c
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22301 Post by Warrl » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:48 am

MoonSticks wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:54 am
I love her so much, but baby moon getting me up at this time (3:50am in the uk) is becoming tiresome :(

Kids: a good night sleep? Who needs it? (;_;)
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#22302 Post by MoonSticks » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:03 am

Yeah, she is :heart:
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22303 Post by Dadrobit » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:09 pm

Zakkerus wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm
Tetrahedron wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:51 pm
Zakkerus wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:50 pm
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Well I for one disagree. :mrgrin:

First of all, sure, he currently pulls about $4600 a month, however, it has not always been so, and his YTD earnings at this point are nowhere near $55k as just a few months ago, he was making half of that $4600.

Second, this is before taxes. Base self-employment tax is currently at a bit over 15%, so knock off about $700 a month, basically almost all the income from the Nora Cards goes poof.

Third, you're not paying for just a $200 color, you're paying for the 15 years of experience that he's put into his craft allowing for him to make that card happen in the first place. An Army Officer of 15 years is going to be pulling more than Tom, and Enlisted will be making fairly comparable money, and will probably be even better off after BAH/S allowances.

The $200 price tag may make some people unhappy because it's out of their range, but that's missing the point. It's not there to make people happy, it's there to make Tom money.

As someone who is self-employed, I am very much in-favor of being able to ask for what you believe your talents are worth, irrespective of anything else. And if people are paying for what I believe my time is worth, then the price is right.
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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22304 Post by Zakkerus » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:09 pm

Dadrobit wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:09 pm
Zakkerus wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm
Tetrahedron wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:51 pm
Zakkerus wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:50 pm
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Well I for one disagree. :mrgrin:

First of all, sure, he currently pulls about $4600 a month, however, it has not always been so, and his YTD earnings at this point are nowhere near $55k as just a few months ago, he was making half of that $4600.

Second, this is before taxes. Base self-employment tax is currently at a bit over 15%, so knock off about $700 a month, basically almost all the income from the Nora Cards goes poof.

Third, you're not paying for just a $200 color, you're paying for the 15 years of experience that he's put into his craft allowing for him to make that card happen in the first place. An Army Officer of 15 years is going to be pulling more than Tom, and Enlisted will be making fairly comparable money, and will probably be even better off after BAH/S allowances.

The $200 price tag may make some people unhappy because it's out of their range, but that's missing the point. It's not there to make people happy, it's there to make Tom money.

As someone who is self-employed, I am very much in-favor of being able to ask for what you believe your talents are worth, irrespective of anything else. And if people are paying for what I believe my time is worth, then the price is right.
I did the math you told me to do and that's still a lot of money he's making.

(Oh, and, as of recently, now the Patreon earning is $4,701.)

Also, with this thing you said: "Third, you're not paying for just a $200 color, you're paying for the 15 years of experience that he's put into his craft allowing for him to make that card happen in the first place." So, are you saying that since I've been making myself a bowl of cereal for food for quite awhile now, that I can say that I've been crafting my cereal making art for well over 15 years, and now I can demand 200 for every bowl I made, even if I technically made that bowl before, right?

And, no offense, but this: "The $200 price tag may make some people unhappy because it's out of their range, but that's missing the point. It's not there to make people happy, it's there to make Tom money." kind of sounds like something Ajit Pai would say, just replace a word or two. Really, I'm not meaning to offend, just putting things in different perspectives. A Devil's advocate, I suppose.

But, yeah, if you're poor, or basically poor and have to worry about every expense, you'll have a completely different view on this kind of stuff. And that's one of the reasons why I'm so bitter on this money stuff. Heh, I mean, I'd be super ecstatic if someone were to give me 15, or even 7 dollars for something I do a lot of. If someone were to give me 200 dollars for writing a story (I used to draw, but now I don't due to certain circumstances. So, I'll just use writing as an example), I'd feel guilty and probably wouldn't accept that much. Because once an artist or a writer thinks too much of their art, and doesn't criticize it a lot, then, heh, well, you know.

So, yeah. I'm not meaning to be mean, or rude, and I'm sorry if it came out that way. It's just... Some of this stuff makes my blood boil, since, heh, I really can't even afford to be a 10 patron right now. There's other personal stuff too, but I'm sure you don't want to hear about some poor person's life story, huh?

(Also, sorry again if it sounded rude or insulting, that's not the point of my intention, or the way I meant for it to be perceived; I can't stress this enough.)

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Re: Rant/Vent/sad thread

#22305 Post by SirJahar » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:53 am

I see where you're coming from. All too often poeple begin to think, frankly, too much of their work and feel they are worth too much.
I see this in art most of all. While your skill and craft are worth something, the price for two people of compravle skill level in the same media can very wildly based on how well known they are. And THAT is what makes my blood boil about all this, is how much of it basicly becomes Branding.
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