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Re: Before you post your new theory

#31 Post by crazyman536 »

at the risk of sounding stupid (common occurence). Did Euchre know about what Flora was supposed to do years prior to whats going on now? the reason I ask is because theres been speculation that Euchre is a human that can shapeshift. that would meen that he helped Flora while she was young (as a Keidran). Joins Traces group as the master stategist (as a human). But the thing that bugs me most is, did he really sneak off to help Flora and work for Trace? or did that man just lie about Euchre really is? sorry for the long post, but this has been bugging me

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#32 Post by Tuna »

Actually, this isn't a question thread - it is for posting up often-repeated theories, so that we don't have to see them pop up again and again...
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You should probably just make your own thread asking this question, either in this subforum or the FAQ subforum...
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#33 Post by crazyman536 »

(I hope I put this correctly) I was more so trying to bring up something to add to the theories (had not seen one involving the templer Euchre had talked to) as opposed to asking a bunch of questions. Sorry if it looked like I meant it as questions though. This does support the "I'm an idiot at times" theory though. again sorry bout that

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#34 Post by AzeNaku »

crazyman536 wrote:(I hope I put this correctly) I was more so trying to bring up something to add to the theories (had not seen one involving the templer Euchre had talked to) as opposed to asking a bunch of questions. Sorry if it looked like I meant it as questions though. This does support the "I'm an idiot at times" theory though. again sorry bout that
To complicate your theory, remember that FGT and Euchre had/have a relationship. So, he was with Flora, Trace, and FGT at the same time.
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#35 Post by Kronopticon »

i have some theories about the reasoning for each of the templar masters, as each must have their own motive.

there may be some inclination for them as to the creation of a bridge between the species, so that they may learn keidran magic etc.
or possibly try to see the effects of human-keidran breeding, especially in creating one with similar power to Trace.
a main goal may just be peace. hence the towers that lower emotion, or what seems the most obvious is just control of all the land, as for the master spy, his intentions seem to be to protect flora and trace from evil intentions. and an example of peace is so much more meaningful when the person who is peaceful with the keidran is Trace, someone who once hated all keidran. the towers, while being a source of power, may have been allowed to be created by Trace, under false impressions, but this may have been just a cover for the peace intended by them.

something questionable is that evil trace appointed these people. now whether they were really evil or not is very questionable, again, trace may have just chose these people because they were the best and he saw fit that the templars needed some new blood, or it may be that they were personal friends, and through some odd circumstance, they had seen the evil that trace had commited and decided to stop it, or alternatively, have some deeper meaning in all of this and they all just crave more power, which is why ephemural tried to separate trace and flora, to then siphon off trace's power to add to her own, but it was a bad plan, as it would awaken evil trace, etc. hence why euchre and "master spy" stepped in, for they both want power, but arent both completely evil, and know that it must be controlled, or hidden, and not just unleashed.

the architects plan was also, drawing energy from trace, but didnt plan on the black magic, although, this seems it was only a stall for having trace moved elsewhere, probably to a stronger mana well, where trace could almost be completely drained of power.

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Re: Before you post your new theory

#36 Post by Arkaen »

To add to the theory that Flora is pregnant, there is the part where Eric says female Keidran are fertile a week after they're in heat : http://twokindscomic.com/?p=494

And there is the comic where Flora is at the start of her heat... : http://twokindscomic.com/?p=130

And the end... : http://twokindscomic.com/?p=155

... And when they "sleep" together, approx. a week afterwards...http://twokindscomic.com/?p=203 :

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#37 Post by Three-point-oh »

Umm i'm kinda confused, but did Trace turn a female into a male?!?!?!

Well on page 51 the Grand templar is a female, later on, she's introduced as Euchre, and its a he?
so is this a mess up? or is so called Bastian Black magic really a human spell?
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Three-point-oh wrote:Umm i'm kinda confused, but did Trace turn a female into a male?!?!?!

Well on page 51 the Grand templar is a female, later on, she's introduced as Euchre, and its a he?
so is this a mess up? or is so called Bastian Black magic really a human spell?
The former Grand Templar and Euchre are different persons. Simply because Trace turned her into a white wolf Keidran and Euchre is also (at least sometimes) a white wolf Keidran does not make them the same person. There is no mistake, and Trace transformed no one's sex.
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#39 Post by Three-point-oh »

avwolf wrote:
Three-point-oh wrote:Umm i'm kinda confused, but did Trace turn a female into a male?!?!?!

Well on page 51 the Grand templar is a female, later on, she's introduced as Euchre, and its a he?
so is this a mess up? or is so called Bastian Black magic really a human spell?
The former Grand Templar and Euchre are different persons. Simply because Trace turned her into a white wolf Keidran and Euchre is also (at least sometimes) a white wolf Keidran does not make them the same person. There is no mistake, and Trace transformed no one's sex.

Thanks, I needed that Clarifacation, it was very confuzzling
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#40 Post by thereallarose »

Ok so feel free to ridicule me to your delight but I was going through the archives as I do every now and then to make sure I have things straight.
There are some really unique characteristics of the "innkeeper" as we've been calling him it seems.

1. He has 3 chin whiskers.
2. Bandages on his hands, either left, right, or both.
3. Blue eyes.
4. Lastly and most recently the hair over the eye hairstyle.

Now I think by now everyone's probably beaten this to death but why is the "innkeeper" taking such a drastic interest in the relationships between Trace and Flora, and Kieth and Natani?
I'd have to say that his meddling style has changed from the overt actions he was taking as the "innkeeper" to something more... sinister, see archive pg.492.
The "innkeeper" murders the general so that Flora can act as the catalyst during pg.508 to awaken Trace.
I think (along with the posted subject 2 on page one of this thread) that the "innkeeper" could be the Master Spy.
I feel that it should be noted that the "innkeeper" seems to have any number of guises much like the other Master Templar, see pg.2-4 as Ephemural drops the guise of the sword wielding guy for the form we are most familiar with.
So if we assume that "innkeeper" = Master Spy we are left with some really big questions:

1. What would he gain from Trace staying as he is and recovering in a way as to maintain his current personality?
2. Why interfere with the other Masters, who without Flora may have succeeded in restoring Trace to his former self?
3. Aside from a humorous and amorous sequence between Keith and Natani what part is he pushing them to play in this story?

So yeah this may be a bit disorganized but it's 1:15 am here in WI and I need sleep hopefully someone will enlighten me and do so gently...

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Re: Subject 1: Is Flora Pregnant?

#41 Post by Kitesfear »

kryss wrote:Subject 1: Is Flora Pregnant?

Tom's official word is 'maybe'. He refuses to give a spoiler. However, the clues are as such:

03/05/2004: Keidran/Human hybrids are impossible.

07/15/2005: One of the masks is allowing a race that has not existed for many, many years - implied that it's a Keidran/Human hybrid, specifically Trace and Flora's.

10/04/2006: Flora's been getting sick lately.

12/01/2006: But she gets better from feeling queasy rather quickly.

02/02/2007: She's been gaining weight at an unusual pace, and feeling especially hungry lately.

03/12/2007: And is getting food cravings.

06/15/2007: She's also getting tired easily, and earlier.

STATUS: Theory

08/04/06: Keidran/Human hybrids might be impossible, but someone has been fiddling around with shapeshifting magic.

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Re: Subject 1: Is Flora Pregnant?

#42 Post by SeriousSamuel »

Kitesfear wrote:08/04/06: Keidran/Human hybrids might be impossible, but someone has been fiddling around with shapeshifting magic.
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Hate to break it for you but that last panel was retconned. It's not really a bad theory and all, but that panel have become the equilant of the question "When is the comic updated?" for crafting theories in Two Kinds. No matter though, everyone makes mistakes. But I'm pretty sure Tom is facedesking right now whilst asking himself why he drew that last panel
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Re: Subject 1: Is Flora Pregnant?

#43 Post by Kitesfear »

SeriousSamuel wrote: :roll:
Hate to break it for you but that last panel was retconned. It's not really a bad theory and all, but that panel have become the equilant of the question "When is the comic updated?" for crafting theories in Two Kinds. No matter though, everyone makes mistakes.

Maybe I'm just tired... *waves to the dawn* ...but that post does seem to carry a slightly condescending air, especially given apparent obscurity of the information, unless there's a nice big list of retcons that I've overlooked.

Based on the information that was available at the time, it's a perfectly valid conclusion. I was just operating with an incomplete data set and am suddenly sounding rather more defencive than I feel - mayhaps in part because retcons just rub me the wrong way; like I, as a reader, have been somehow insulted. Meh.


(But seriously, if there's a nice big list of those retcons somewhere, I'd appreciate a link - I suddenly have this really annoying feeling that my theories on magical life extension in light of the last Grand Templar's being turned into a Keidran were voided in some dark corner somewhere. And what is up with dog keidran? Dogs are domesticated wolves! Also: Tangent.)

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Re: Subject 1: Is Flora Pregnant?

#44 Post by SeriousSamuel »

Kitesfear wrote:
SeriousSamuel wrote: :roll:
Hate to break it for you but that last panel was retconned. It's not really a bad theory and all, but that panel have become the equilant of the question "When is the comic updated?" for crafting theories in Two Kinds. No matter though, everyone makes mistakes.

Maybe I'm just tired... *waves to the dawn* ...but that post does seem to carry a slightly condescending air, especially given apparent obscurity of the information, unless there's a nice big list of retcons that I've overlooked.
I'm sorry for sounding condescending (I actually got to look up that word), I did notice that it sounded a bit like it myself before I posted it but I decided that I'll just post it anyway (I'm not the most graceful poster at times I've noticed :roll: ). You're right about the obscurity, I learned it from when I still bothered to read the comic theory threads from start to finish. I don't think that there is a list of retcons (there aren't too many either), but I know of one other major retcon, Tom has taken back all he have said about Basitins before a certain date (can't remember an excact date, but I think it was somewhere around 2007).
Maybe we should add the retcons in this thread? It's pretty important to know if you're crafting theories after all.
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#45 Post by avwolf »

Alright, let me make some explanations that should hopefully clarify things.

Nothing that appears in the comic has been officially retconned, even if there are differences in the online comic and the printed comic. Those are parallel canons: neither actually invalidates the other, they're slightly different retellings of the same events. Tom's comment on Basitins was that we could not trust anything posted on the forums, mentioned on the IRC, written on DA, or put up elsewhere on the Internet concerning Basitins before 2007, IIRC. That pretty much just covers the odd rumors about the Western Basitin being happy, colorful nudists. Anything that appears in the comic is still valid.

Other instances of Tom "retconning" his words on the forum include Natani's eye, which Tom originally had said she was blind in, and then events in the comic make it obvious that couldn't be true, and he clarified on the forums that she was not actually blind in her gray eye. It's simply symbolic of the damage done to her soul, and not of vision. In addition, Keidran and Basitins were once considered biologically compatible (they could produce viable offspring), but since then, Tom decided that it would be biologically impossible, as their respective biologies are simply too different. (Much wailing and gnashing of teeth over that decision yet echoes through the Keith x Natani 'shipper contingent.) If I recall anything else, I'll try to get it listed. Obviously, I need to squeeze some free time out of my schedule to work on the Codex site again. =/ It would be quite valuable for this purpose.

The shapeshifting panel is something Tom regrets drawing (or so I have heard), but not because Trace can't turn people into Keidran. He's cursed people with Keidran-morphology twice in the comic -- that's where Karen gets her second set of ears, and how the former Grand Templar became a Wolf. Tom regrets drawing that panel because people took it to suggest that Trace would turn himself into a Tiger to be with Flora or to make it easier to get through Tiger lands, neither of which are true in the slightest, as both weaken the metaplot.
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