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#16 Post by thelostcause »

Is there a theory on the human shopkeeper guy/mayor at the town where the festival takes place being th ancestor of the founder of the Templars?
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#18 Post by thelostcause »

well...yeah I read that....but it doesn't mention that when he's "mayor", he mentions his last name is "Templar"....
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#19 Post by Verilidaine »

Again:
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#20 Post by Jurij martINSANE Bogdanov »

Somebody mentioned the creation of an Euchre summary and I am apperantly masohistic enough to attempt. Also hi!

So here goes:

Summary of sightings of the subject known as “Euchre” and related phenomena:

2004/07/05-First “aperance”(he is off panel): We find out that he knows Flora from before and repeates something that told her before:”You should just act like yourself.”

2004/07/07-We learn his name and see him for the first time. He mentions an escape (probably Flora ran away from her masters). Flora seems to know him well and is saddened by seeing him caged. He tells her that he was captured by human templar, but does not apear to be shaken in the least bit by it all (suspicious).

2004/07/09-Rather conviniently the only person who could save him is the Grand Templar, with whom Flora is travelling at the moment (suspicious times 2)

2004/07/19-We learn from Flora that she has known him as a kitten and that he is allways that cheereful (freaky and suspicious) and also that yes he did help her escape from her enslavement.

2004/07/23-Trace atempts to talk to Euchres captor, who turns out to be some sort of bounty hunter tempar and attacks him (smells like a setup it does).

2004/07/26-Flora can sense that Trace is beeing attacked (the necklase?), which Euchre finds interesting.

2004/08/04-Euchre is hit (accidentialy or not? I don’t know) by Traces dragon spell and is apperantly blown up.

2004/08/13-He has survived! Yay! And he bonks Trace on the head and refuses to explain how he survived. Not so yay. Also seems to know that Epumeral is the one behind Trace going gaga.

2004/08/16-Very observant-He notices imediately that Flora is in love. Reveals that she has fallen in love with a human before. Acts fatherly/big brotherly to Flora. Reveals that he is old at the age of 21.

2004/08/18, 2004/08/27 and 2004/09/01-possibly orcheatrates the meeting between Flora and Trace, during which they patch up their relationship.

2004/09/17-Stops Keith from interfering with said patching up.(suspicious times 3-does he have an interest in their relationship? Ephemural tries to drive a wesge between them, he helps the make up)

2004/09/22 and 2004/09/24- Does the brotherly/fatherly thing and threathens Trace with a trashing.

2004/10/06 and 2004/10/08-Gives flora some advice regarding Trace (again showing that knows a lot about the the whole situation) and walks of in to the sunrise.

OR DOES HE!!??

2004/10/29-Seen here talking with whom I suspect to be the Suspiceous Shapeshifting Shopkeeping-inclined Subject of Speculation while striping his clothes, revealing a set of black templar robes underneath. He apperared to have originaly planed to accompany the gang further, but has changed his mind because of Traces change of heart. He and the SSS-iSoS are involved (helping or hindering?) in the human tower constructing efforts (allmost done apperantly, also suspiceous times πx105!)

Doesen’t appear for a while now, until

2005/01/28-where he appeares with the SSS-iSoS, Ephemural, Trace and Flora further confirming him as a major player

2005/02/28-And here he is comforting the former Grand Templar, just as her daughter Raine arrives. They appear to know each other very well (he even calls her my dear, also notice that the fGT was turned into a wolf that looks like a female version of Euchre. Perhaps they are siblings and both transformed by Trace?)

2005/03/16-And here he startles everbody by poping out of nowhere and being very knowligeble in the ways of the Masks (this particularily shocks Ephemural). Also reveals that he is not as strong as Ephy.

2005/03/18-Performs teleport+shirtless dramatic pose combo for 150% damage. Tells Trace to attack Flora/Ephy with a sword (that he throws at him from a rooftop)

2005/03/23-Has coll and fancy self dressing whie robes and is joined on the roof by the SSS-iSoS, who is now dressed in fancy robes and has apperantly also been interfering.

2005/03/25, 2005703/30 and 20050404 -He and SSS-iSoS provide comentary and encouragement. When Trace starts acting psycho, SSS-iSoS convince Euchre to interfere and break “the rules” (SSS-iSoS doesn’t seem too think much of them)

2005/04/06-He induces flashbacks in trace to remind him of what he should be doing

2005/04/08-Because he has broken the rules Ephy stabs him ( she abides by the same rules, it would seem) This provokes some sort of reaction in Flora.

2005/04/13-Trace is now able too sense Flora calling to him (she is breaking loose), while Ephy has a conversation with SSS-iSoS. He is disaproving of Ephys fanatical reverance for the misterious rules and reveals that he had done some bending of his own (enter, yet again the shiny necklace)

Now Trace manages to wake Flora up (with the help of the SSS-iSoS) and Ephy is having truble controling her.

2005/04/20 and 2005/04/25-Enter the fGT+shot of Euchre looking rather... dead. However we doo know that he has a talent for surviving when he shouldn’t..

Trace saves Flora. Everbody party!!

2005/06/08-Related: a mention of the final tower and we find out that Trace is needed to complete it)

i'll add the rest in a while (my hands are killing me. If I missed somethin please tell me. Also please excuse my horrible English as I am not a native speaker.

Edit 1:Also if some one can tell me how to add the links I would be grateful. Čau
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#21 Post by Bane Dragon »

*Relevant to the directly above* http://twokinds.comicgenesis.com/d/20070323.html
Guess who has white hair (Fur) ^_^
(said before me, but this way it can also go under the correct column of suspision(SP?) dunno if he was cursed or if it's a shapeshift spell (More likely the latter since he's not angry or scared whenever he saw Trace, even trying to help him on occasion) and seems to be in on the plot.) perhaps we may yet meet him again.

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#22 Post by markio_92 »

There's a comic you skipped.

Fits on The Shokeeper's appearances and Euchre's too.

(sorry, can't post the link, I'll post the exact date)

November 5, 2007

Shopkeeper = Master Spy
Euchre (if he can be human) = Master Strategist

I DO think Euchre can change from human to keidran and from keidran to human, but he's still a human.

And I believe there's another where the Shopkeeper appears.. hmm let me find it, I think you haven't included it yet.

Here it is:

(can't post links, too newb)

October 17, 2007

He's riding the car =P

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#23 Post by Otokage »

Verilidaine wrote:Subject 2: The Reappearing Shopkeeper

Throughout the comic there is a reappearing someone who seems to follow Trace and Flora along their journey and sometimes interferes with them. This is supposed because of his very distinct appearance. We don't know for sure what he is, or even if it's only one person, or what he's trying to do. I'm putting up comics that deal with him and the effects he has on Trace and Flora.

01/02/2004: His first appearance as a shopkeeper. Later his hair style changes a bit, but his eyes stay the same color.

01/05/2004: Here he gives Trace the necklace that stays with Flora and seems to bond Trace and Flora together. Later she gives him a flower with similar properties. We assume he bound the shopkeeper up and really wants Trace to give Flora the necklace.

01/19/2004: Flora is shocked by the necklace when Trace tries to give it to her; she recognizes what it's used for, which she thinks in later comics. When he does, it causes some kind of reaction. In the next comic, via Flora, we learn what the necklace is and what it does. If we can trust her, Trace and Flora are bound, so we know that the mysterious man wanted them to be bound and took steps to make it so.

02/16/2004: In this comic the necklace reacts to Flora's emotions in some way. Betrayal, perhaps, or maybe she feels torn, or maybe it's reacting to hatred towards Trace. It continues to change, turning red as Flora plans on killing Trace, again presumably reacting to her emotions or actions.

03/10/2004: Okay, this one is up to some debate, but in the background of the the third panel you can see a wanted poster for someone who could resemble the man who gave Trace the necklace. If you read it, he's wanted for "[posing] as a shopkeeper." This happened before the first time we met him, of course, so it seems he's been doing this for a while.

04/21/2004: The second appearance of our mysterious man. Note the cross necklace, the eye and hair color. His thoughts in the last panel suggest that he's not naive to the entire situation, though he plays that part when speaking.

04/28/2004: Here the man brings "refreshments" to Trace and Flora (also note, his bandaged hand changes sides in this comic...I'm not sure if that's significant or a mistake). The milk for Flora has obvious consequences in the next comic. The man seems to be trying to push them together, because we see what the ale for Trace does when Keith has some. The next morning, Flora apparently remembers nothing about the milk.

10/22/2004: Just a filler, but you see him there in the background watching the goings-on.

10/29/2004: This may or may not be our man. He has the same color coat and hair, but the hat is different from his normal design and the hand we can see has normally been bandaged, though it's switched sides before (04/28/2004). Suspicious conversation in the woods with Euchre, who needs his own theory post.

12/10/2004: And here's a similar looking guy, color-wise, though without the necklace. Here he's some kind of dockmaster or captain. He causes them to remain in the city for at least another day, whether purposeful or not, which is when all the business with Ephemural goes down.

01/28/2004: He appears here on the chapter cover, opposite of Euchre, and presumably a key player.

03/23/2005: Here we learn that whatever he is, he's powerful enough to interfere. With what? Not sure exactly, though probably something like the natural order of things. This is the first time we see the hair-over-one-eye design that he appears by in later comics. He talks with Euchre and persuades him to interfere some more, which ends up helping to save Trace and Flora. He then informs Ephemural of what he's done with the necklace ("one of his own design"), so we know for sure he's the same person, and he's a huge part of the reason Trace and Flora escape all this. He's in the background, then, of two more comics.

05/08/2006: We get a name here (and two bandaged hands) though there's no way to be sure it's really his. And of course, he shows up right as Trace and Flora do in place of someone who has suddenly and mysteriously "fallen....ill." We learn via Natani that this festival he's instigating hasn't taken place in four years, so we can presume that he has plans with it.

03/07/2007: This is a very significant comic for this character and it is also under debate as to whether it's the same character or not. The eye color and hair style are the same as previous comics and once again, he shows up as an innkeeper right when Trace and Flora arrive. The same hand is bandaged, though the earring seems to be new. If it is the same character, we know that he has the ability to change appearances. (Side note: There has been discussion about whether or not he purposefully puts Keith and Natani in the same room, based off of this comic, which would broaden his interests from just Trace and Flora to Keith and Natani as well...both of which are inter-species relationships.)

03/23/2007: He's in the first panel of this comic with a meeting of a lot of very significant characters. Euchre shows up here in human form, so the idea of our "innkeeper" being able to shapeshift becomes more plausible.

09/20/2007: In this comic, our man appears in a flashback as told by Lady Nora. Here he is a young human. Both hands are bandaged this time and the hairstyle is the same, though the necklace is missing. He seems to be a sort of "professor" of Templars and it is possible he's had an influence on Trace since he was very young. There could be theories as to whether or not he met Trace here by chance or placed himself there in order to play a role in his life (which would suggest a precognitive ability).

Yeah, it's really long and in-depth, but I was really, really bored. ^_^ Someone should take up a Euchre thread, I saw a lot of stuff with him after reading the comic straight through.
Congrats, you saved me alot of needless posting and searching for images. XD

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*ahem* THe person you are reffering too is clearly the Master Spy. And this make sense, because he seems to be everywhere, and everyone for that matter. Whats more, he is working with Euchre, who is the Master Strategist of Trace's Templar Masters. And this also makes sense. We see that Euchre has an indept knowledge of what is going on, and we have also seen that Euchre and the Master Spy are working together. Euchre seems to have had most of the events already planned out. Certainly not against Trace or Flora. Infact, they seem to be planning on pushing them together.

However, while I'm on this topic, lets look at the other Templar Master.

Master Architect- Obviously incharge of building the Towers. He seems friendly enough, although we still need to see more of him. However, he seems innocent, friendly, and just following orders. So, we'll label him as a good guy for now.

Master Seer and his daughter- Oh yes. These two DEFINATELY do not want Trace back. They want him dead and in the ground. Or.... just gone completely. They are so working for a higher force. I do not know what the father does, besides somehow having wings, but we all know his daughter is blind, but can see via her cat.

Master Mage- We have no information whatsoever on this guy. However, it is safe to say he is being controled by a mask somehow.

As for the Templar themselves. It is safe to say they are looking for Trace, and want him back. We can fairly label that Euchre and Master Spy are good guys, who are pushing Trace and Flora together. We are unsure about Master Architect, but we will say he is a good guy who wants Trace back. Master Seer is bad, and wants Trace gone. ANd until we know more about Master Mage and what mask is controlling him, we are unsure as to what he is.

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#24 Post by Wyvern »

In regards to the above theory; I think it is also worty to note that, in the image of the Templars, the Master Mage is the only one who you can't see the crest or seal on. This might signal to him having agends that aren't part of the Templars' best interests. This is just a thoery and as he's only had one(as far as I know) appearence in the comic, during which he wears a clasp with a seal on it for his cloak.
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#25 Post by badgut »

A coupla good theories but I can't link things on my Wii, or remember exact comic dates,
if anyone would be so pleased.

1. MASTER MAGE-
I believe we see him after Ephemural retreats, because I would think a magician strong enough could easily create masks to do his work.
2.- MASTER ARCHITECT
some say simplistic, I saw not, he is responsible for the towers, that suppress emotions & work some kind of mind control, which MAY JUST be evil Traces winning strategy.
Also, recently he is forced to carry trace back, apparently not happy either, as if he resents being orderef, but understands it must be done.

3.)MASKS-
We won't see epemural, but will see more by other names,
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4.-Those currently in power all seem to share some type of godhood, namely Eureche, master sage, & (GUILD Master Tarron???[its a play on TOM, probably Toms own character])
could they all be USING Trace to further thier own goals as gods??
whatever it is I feel certain two forces are attempting 2 pull on Traces strings to make him dance like a puppet
visible through his evil & good sides, and that he is a chosen one of magic, that is why they pick on him,
& that every event, from Templar inductment, to wifes death, to losing his memories have been carefulky staged by these ¿Gods?

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#26 Post by morpheuskibbe »

i read this and its not mentioned but when they got to the bastin isles the innkeeper looks alot like this mysterious recurring guy (just as a bastin). and later on the bastin innkeeper is someone completely different and no-one seems to notice the switch
first innkeeper http://twokindscomic.com/?p=363
switched innkeeper http://twokindscomic.com/?p=419

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#27 Post by Fireball0236 »

Who ever said that she IS the innkeeper? It takes more than one person to take care of the inn, booking, and the bar.
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#28 Post by morpheuskibbe »

She? neither of then are girls. and the guy in the first one really does look like our shopkeep poser.

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#29 Post by Fireball0236 »

I ment the one here:
http://twokindscomic.com/?p=419
She looks female to me; whoops.

The other one does indeed seem a lot like the shopkeeper/innkeeper we've seen before; he just turned Basitin. This still doesn't remove my point that there can be multiple Basitin working in the inn, and there's no need that they were swapped?
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#30 Post by AzeNaku »

Fireball0236 wrote:I ment the one here:
http://twokindscomic.com/?p=419
She looks female to me; whoops.

The other one does indeed seem a lot like the shopkeeper/innkeeper we've seen before; he just turned Basitin. This still doesn't remove my point that there can be multiple Basitin working in the inn, and there's no need that they were swapped?
People normally work in shifts. So, Master Spy could've gained the day-shift position (not neccesarily by legal means...)
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