Re: Comic for April 14, 2021: No Hard Feelings
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:38 am
"Big, but should be enough" seems to leave open the possibility that Clovis miscalculated. I know, slim chance at best, but...
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It really just makes clear the twisted logic is utterly insane. Does Clovis really believe that since childhood he planned to use Brutus as a worthless pawn? What at that age could have possibly made him convinced that caring about anyone would be an unacceptable liability because adversary might...what exactly?tony1695 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:18 am This little revelation that Clovis and Brutus were around each other long before Clovis' ascension to criminal kingpin really does change just how significant the murder is. Killing a completely loyal underling is one thing, but a childhood friend? In a way, it's reassuring to see that he's desperately trying to convince himself that it was the right thing, because it shows that he knows it wasn't. That none of this twisted logic is working in this situation.
And I guess now we get to see just what else Clovis' new bit of jewellery can do. We know it can stop the manor's defences from frying him, but what about dragonfire?
Ah, I think all his trembling, especially noticeable in the sketches shows that he doesn't really believe what he's saying. He knows he really loved Brutus, on some level. It still almost seems romantic, although it could just be passionate friendship, although I could totally see Clovis's womanizing mixed with his hatred of them as overcompensating for closeting himself and that he's actually gay. In a way, so much of himself is being false, isn't it? He tries to claim to be a "golden wolf" to hide being a hybrid of fox and wolf. He hid away after he was transformed, unable to face being cursed with a female body. I bet he'd gay panic and bury those feelings as deep as he could. He probably made excuses all their lives as to why he kept Brutus around, he tried to cage the love into so many other things. Say he was just using him, say he just was a good bodyguard. Other guys in his cartel picked up on them being extra close.aitaituo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am
It really just makes clear the twisted logic is utterly insane. Does Clovis really believe that since childhood he planned to use Brutus as a worthless pawn? What at that age could have possibly made him convinced that caring about anyone would be an unacceptable liability because adversary might...what exactly?
He's obviously half fox and obviously grew up poor in a society that's prejudiced toward both, there's no way he could have had an easy time of it just from that. There's a good chance that he was forced into crime just to survive.
Remus was the one who took the header after trying to kill Sythe, Romulus was the one sent after Zen.Rafe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:31 am I'm sure Clovis has a way out of this in his plans. He may lose his chance to get Zen this time, but he hasn't been amassing all that magical power for nothing. The only question is, will Remus (or was it Romulus?) be captured alive, escape, or maybe even get his hands on Zen? And, of course, what will Mrs. Nibbly and Sythe find?
I'd assume that Clovis is actually speaking/thinking in Keidran, a language Reni doesn't know, and Tom didn't mark it as normal by accident. It's his native language and he has no reason to be thinking/speaking Human in this situation. Heck, Reni not understanding his words and seeing him standing over someone she sees in his mind is a childhood friend wringing his hands and obviously upset might actually save both him and Brutus, as she might assume Clovis is his friend and was just trying to bust Brutus out and found him like this and turn her attention to saving Brutus from the poison, giving Clovis the chance to sneak away. As for Reni, after the attack in the beach room and everything going on, I'd be in "enter every room as if expecting attack" mode and ready to toss flame at anyone I didn't recognize too.Rafe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:19 am One thing that Clovis better hope he is immune to now, is Reni's ability to read his thoughts.
I assume that one of the reasons that the sometimes cautious Reni is in full attack mode right now, is that she knows exactly who Clovis is, and what he's up to. Not only that, but I doubt he was protecting his thoughts about what he just did to his childhood friend from being read. Reni probably just saw his flashback, and his lame rationalization for killing Brutus just like we did. And remember, Brutus told her (and Maddie and Karen) about his relationship with Clovis, so what just happened is probably very clear to her. Plus, Clovis looks to be talking to himself in Human. This should be easy for Reni to follow. Maybe Clovis' "that should be enough" comment means there's still a chance for Brutus, and he's not quite dead yet.
Let's hope her mind-reading will keep Clovis from harming her in any way. She should see any tricky move coming, even if it involves magic. At the very least, you'd hope that she gets some impression of what he's planning.
I'll cite Reni's explanation, when speaking with Natani. Can't link because mobile...steelabjur wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:53 am I'd assume that Clovis is actually speaking/thinking in Keidran, a language Reni doesn't know, and Tom didn't mark it as normal by accident. It's his native language and he has no reason to be thinking/speaking Human in this situation. Heck, Reni not understanding his words and seeing him standing over someone she sees in his mind is a childhood friend wringing his hands and obviously upset might actually save both him and Brutus, as she might assume Clovis is his friend and was just trying to bust Brutus out and found him like this and turn her attention to saving Brutus from the poison, giving Clovis the chance to sneak away. As for Reni, after the attack in the beach room and everything going on, I'd be in "enter every room as if expecting attack" mode and ready to toss flame at anyone I didn't recognize too.
steelabjur wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:53 am
...I'd assume that Clovis is actually speaking/thinking in Keidran, a language Reni doesn't know, and Tom didn't mark it as normal by accident. It's his native language and he has no reason to be thinking/speaking Human in this situation. Heck, Reni not understanding his words and seeing him standing over someone she sees in his mind is a childhood friend wringing his hands and obviously upset might actually save both him and Brutus, as she might assume Clovis is his friend and was just trying to bust Brutus out and found him like this and turn her attention to saving Brutus from the poison, giving Clovis the chance to sneak away. As for Reni, after the attack in the beach room and everything going on, I'd be in "enter every room as if expecting attack" mode and ready to toss flame at anyone I didn't recognize too.
I feel like you're missing something. Clovis didn't kill Brutus because he was bad for business. Clovis killed Brutus because he is SCARED of the emotions he feels for him.Eclipse wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:24 pm And yeah, that flashback just makes Clovis look even more like a scumbag. Enough Tom, we already get that Clovis is a scumbag that tried to off his friend to keep him from hurting his business. Revealing that Clovis is a scumbag that tried to off his childhood friend to keep him from hurting his business is just unnecessary overkill.
This theory makes sense to me. It's still twisted logic in its execution, though. There are better ways to burn bridges than murder. Clovis, for example, has access to a magical that can turn Brutus into a chicken.Zaigan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:33 amAh, I think all his trembling, especially noticeable in the sketches shows that he doesn't really believe what he's saying. He knows he really loved Brutus, on some level. It still almost seems romantic, although it could just be passionate friendship, although I could totally see Clovis's womanizing mixed with his hatred of them as overcompensating for closeting himself and that he's actually gay. In a way, so much of himself is being false, isn't it? He tries to claim to be a "golden wolf" to hide being a hybrid of fox and wolf. He hid away after he was transformed, unable to face being cursed with a female body. I bet he'd gay panic and bury those feelings as deep as he could. He probably made excuses all their lives as to why he kept Brutus around, he tried to cage the love into so many other things. Say he was just using him, say he just was a good bodyguard. Other guys in his cartel picked up on them being extra close.aitaituo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am
It really just makes clear the twisted logic is utterly insane. Does Clovis really believe that since childhood he planned to use Brutus as a worthless pawn? What at that age could have possibly made him convinced that caring about anyone would be an unacceptable liability because adversary might...what exactly?
He thought he could escape those feelings, so for the first time in his life he's truly experiencing loss... and recognizing that he brought it upon himself. He's likely having his first experience with remorse.
Maybe so, but that's not something Clovis was willing to consider. His removal of Brutus had to be immediate, and above all PERMANENT.
I kinda doubt that, honestly. He seems more like the paranoid type to me; somebody who sees any sort of weakness, any possible angle of attack open against him, as something that must be destroyed. "Somebody can use this against me. It has to go."
Maybe, maybe not... could be later on when he got serious about world domination he changed his mind about his friends.aitaituo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:43 am It really just makes clear the twisted logic is utterly insane. Does Clovis really believe that since childhood he planned to use Brutus as a worthless pawn? What at that age could have possibly made him convinced that caring about anyone would be an unacceptable liability because adversary might...what exactly?
Yeah, I have the same feelings, here. It would seem kind of cheap for them to be able to rescue him, etc.stlsf4003 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:22 pm Whether or not the wolf formerly known as Brutus has indeed punched his ticket on that last train to the pearly gates or hopped on the express elevator to hell remains to be seen. (really hoping he is indeed pushing daisies on this one. it would be kind of cheap to see Clovis' actions effecting him this much only to have the big guy deus ex machina'ed back into to this plane of existence.)
You know, one thing I’ve been wondering, that main jewel of Clovis’ that was enchanted a specific way that took several of the Templar’s best a long time to make... was it enchanted specifically for allowing him to breach the manor’s defenses, or against dragon magic in general (and being as the manor defenses were setup by a dragon, that would included that, too)?
Who knows? Either that amulet is strong enough to resist the power of a juvenile dragon or Clovis is about to get a brief experience of what it was like to be on the business end of an M2 flamethrower!FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:52 pmYou know, one thing I’ve been wondering, that main jewel of Clovis’ that was enchanted a specific way that took several of the Templar’s best a long time to make... was it enchanted specifically for allowing him to breach the manor’s defenses, or against dragon magic in general (and being as the manor defenses were setup by a dragon, that would included that, too)?