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Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:37 pm

tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:31 am

Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:50 am

tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 am

Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out the amulet can be used as a slave collar with just the right word from Brahn. For that reason I hope Clovis gets out of this mess intact. A nice big helping of justice for all of his kin he's sold into slavery and worse.

Oh yeah, that would do it, and that definitely seems like something the Templar would do. If that is the case, Trace and his friends might try to free him either because they take pity on his situation or they simply don't want him under Brahn's control.

Taking control of Clovis would give the Templar control of all his assets and resources. That alone would be sufficient reason to get him out from under Brahn's control. And hey, if doing so aligns him with Trace and Friends, even if it's in a 'enemy of my enemy' manner, maybe it'd give the character a chance to develop and become at least a little sympathetic. Maybe.

Maybe, but Trace and co. wouldn't think about it in that way. They'd probably do so more because they're disgusted by the idea of slavery and using Clovis as a glorified attack dog moreso than what he could offer them as an ally, that would be an ancillary benefit. Maybe Clovis would initially see it as an "enemy of my enemy" situation, but I doubt Trace and co. would.

stlsf4003 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:14 am

Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:37 pm

tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:31 am Taking control of Clovis would give the Templar control of all his assets and resources. That alone would be sufficient reason to get him out from under Brahn's control. And hey, if doing so aligns him with Trace and Friends, even if it's in a 'enemy of my enemy' manner, maybe it'd give the character a chance to develop and become at least a little sympathetic. Maybe.

Maybe, but Trace and co. wouldn't think about it in that way. They'd probably do so more because they're disgusted by the idea of slavery and using Clovis as a glorified attack dog moreso than what he could offer them as an ally, that would be an ancillary benefit. Maybe Clovis would initially see it as an "enemy of my enemy" situation, but I doubt Trace and co. would.

Not to mention the fact that Clovis still has a bone to pick with Zen and Natani. So it's a really good bet that they wouldn't take to kindly to him being around.

That's assuming that Nat doesn't beat him to within an inch of his life first!

AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:01 am Clovis is fully aware that Grand Templar Trace is here, presumably (by his title) the most powerful templar. Even if Brahn knows anything of his amnesia, there's no knowing how much he has forgotten or subsequently remembered.

While Brahn may have slipped some kind of insurance into the amulet, and Clovis may turn on him, the Prince of Greed won't be helping our crew except temporarily out of some selfish motive, something he thinks he can gain out of it. He wants revenge on Zen, Natani and Nora for their various parts (more or less) in losing the mask, getting cursed and losing his mental link to them. Though he may not know yet who besides Trace, another human , some keidran and some basitin are here (definitely not group B, having come in the "back door"). Attacking the manor has its own presumed rewards, both magical and mundane, as the home of the most powerful templar. Prestige from doing so is another reward.

Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:22 am I do believe that if the character is to remain part of the story he will need some sort of growth wether he joins Trace or not
At the end of the day the "evil for evil sake " villain can be fun at times but quickly becomes boring in the long run.

Rafe wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:36 am One thing people always seem to forget about Clovis, and count at least a little toward his "good" side, is that Clovis undeniably saved Natani's life.
It was Clovis who gave Natani and Zen their linked minds, and also all the complications that go with them. So if not for Clovis, all we would have is Zen and the memory of his dead sibling.

They didn't like the deal that went along with saving Natani's life, but I really doubt they'd refuse it if they could go back and have the chance to not go through with it this time.