Re: Comic for August 29, 2020: Knock Knock
Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:41 am
I'm convinced that, when it comes to Clovis, Tom's being Saki with us...
A place to sit around and talk about the comic.
https://www.twokinds.net/forum/
* Googles that *Welsh halfwit wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:41 am I'm convinced that, when it comes to Clovis, Tom's being Saki with us...
Exactly that. Clovis is Saki's mischief maker extraordinaire.Combak wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:59 pm* Googles that *Welsh halfwit wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:41 am I'm convinced that, when it comes to Clovis, Tom's being Saki with us...
* Sees one of the results is “The Chronicles of Clovis” *
Well then.
If I remember correctly up to the incident in Edinmire, Trace had basically fallen of the face of the earth to the point Brahn had started calling himself grand Templar and still does. On the other hand Mr Brahn also seemed interested in drawing Trace out of the shadows so he suspected he was still around. In any case after the attack fallout no one told them were Trace went, nor who he is accompanied with. Yet with those two level of involvement I doubt that would be very hard to find out. I suspect half the town guard does not really answer to Keiren anymore.tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:44 amI think it'd be more accurate to describe Trace as 'strong but unskilled' in his current, amnesiac state. And all that is guaranteed to go out the window the moment Clovis and his cronies look at Flora the wrong way.aitaituo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:06 am Clovis would know from the fake Templar attack that he organized, but it's a good point that the manor is an obvious high profile target for valuable magic. It's likely, if not indisputable, that Clovis learned from the Master Seer that Trace is a weakened amnesiac.
Which does raise another question. Just what does the amulet/talisman he got from Brahn do? If it can successfully reverse/fight off the magic of a dragon (as some people have speculated), it could completely nullify any advantage Evil Magic Trace can bring.
I'm actually kind of wondering if there's something about what he did to the amulet that he's not telling Clovis. I have a sneaking suspicion that Clovis is eventually going to end up allying with Trace when all's said and done (Clovis and his gender problems would fit in pretty well along with Trace and his merry band of weirdo misfits, aside from him being the "Prince of Greed", but he could potentially shed that reputation through character development), and the catalyst to that could be Brahn betraying Clovis. I could see it happening, the Templar probably just see Clovis and his men as a means to help capture Trace and he'd probably just get rid of them too, after all to them they're "filthy Keidran". Maybe Brahn and his men secretly put a curse on the amulet or something to backstab Clovis and take both Trace and the wolves out.tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:44 am Which does raise another question. Just what does the amulet/talisman he got from Brahn do? If it can successfully reverse/fight off the magic of a dragon (as some people have speculated), it could completely nullify any advantage Evil Magic Trace can bring.
Branh seems like the kind of megalomaniac that values himself so highly that he would not break his own word. Yet again he also had a human city attacked because it helped his plan so he is definitely the pragmatic kind of supervillain. That being said it would be a bit foolish giving Clovis, a crimelord, such a powerful tool without a couple additions to keep him from using it against Brahn or is plans. I imagine it would be trivial to make the Brooch blow Clovis to kingdom come if were he to do anything that displeased Brahn or got in the way of his plans. In any case i believe the pendant will be a non-issue by the end of the chapter, it will either be lost with the Manor or destroyed in some way mid fight.Eclipse wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:47 pmI'm actually kind of wondering if there's something about what he did to the amulet that he's not telling Clovis. I have a sneaking suspicion that Clovis is eventually going to end up allying with Trace when all's said and done (Clovis and his gender problems would fit in pretty well along with Trace and his merry band of weirdo misfits, aside from him being the "Prince of Greed", but he could potentially shed that reputation through character development), and the catalyst to that could be Brahn betraying Clovis. I could see it happening, the Templar probably just see Clovis and his men as a means to help capture Trace and he'd probably just get rid of them too, after all to them they're "filthy Keidran". Maybe Brahn and his men secretly put a curse on the amulet or something to backstab Clovis and take both Trace and the wolves out.tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:44 am Which does raise another question. Just what does the amulet/talisman he got from Brahn do? If it can successfully reverse/fight off the magic of a dragon (as some people have speculated), it could completely nullify any advantage Evil Magic Trace can bring.
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:12 pmBranh seems like the kind of megalomaniac that values himself so highly that he would not break his own word. Yet again he also had a human city attacked because it helped his plan so he is definitely the pragmatic kind of supervillain. That being said it would be a bit foolish giving Clovis, a crimelord, such a powerful tool without a couple additions to keep him from using it against Brahn or is plans. I imagine it would be trivial to make the Brooch blow Clovis to kingdom come if were he to do anything that displeased Brahn or got in the way of his plans. In any case i believe the pendant will be a non-issue by the end of the chapter, it will either be lost with the Manor or destroyed in some way mid fight.Eclipse wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:47 pm I'm actually kind of wondering if there's something about what he did to the amulet that he's not telling Clovis. I have a sneaking suspicion that Clovis is eventually going to end up allying with Trace when all's said and done (Clovis and his gender problems would fit in pretty well along with Trace and his merry band of weirdo misfits, aside from him being the "Prince of Greed", but he could potentially shed that reputation through character development), and the catalyst to that could be Brahn betraying Clovis. I could see it happening, the Templar probably just see Clovis and his men as a means to help capture Trace and he'd probably just get rid of them too, after all to them they're "filthy Keidran". Maybe Brahn and his men secretly put a curse on the amulet or something to backstab Clovis and take both Trace and the wolves out.
I also believe Clovis will end up on the "good guys" side. My theory goes that after getting his posse massacred in the manor and his incredibly powerful pendant reduced to a worthless trinket. He will realize he cares more for his men that he believed, specially Brutus, and will then try to undo some of the evil he has created. Also at that point he would be a loose end for Brahn so it is not like he would have much of a choice
Yeah just giving him that without anything to keep him in check is not a good idea...Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am -snip-
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.
Interesting that you think Clovis cares about his men. If so, I expect he'll want to reconcile with Natani and Zen as well, seeing as they used to work for him.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out the amulet can be used as a slave collar with just the right word from Brahn. For that reason I hope Clovis gets out of this mess intact. A nice big helping of justice for all of his kin he's sold into slavery and worse.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.
Rafe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:36 am So I don't see Clovis ever redeeming himself. If he shifts his alliances or sees a threat or opportunity, he might end up helping the "good guys", but only because he standss to profit from it. There's always the chance some deep, dark secret might be revealed, but barring the extraordinary, I don't see it.
Hmm, well it could go either way. If Brahn betrays him like I suspect, it would definitely benefit him more to side with Trace and he might simply choose to remain the same conniving [censored] he's always been. Or maybe being used and manipulated himself might make him rethink his motivations a bit and treat his partners better. Either way, I suspect he will in fact join Trace and over time he'll get some kind of character development that makes him less selfish and manipulative, he'll definitely need it at some point if he's going to become their ally.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:59 amYeah just giving him that without anything to keep him in check is not a good idea...Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am -snip-
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.
Interesting that you think Clovis cares about his men. If so, I expect he'll want to reconcile with Natani and Zen as well, seeing as they used to work for him.
I am not suggesting that he sees his men as family or something like that but I do believe he cares more than he is aware of. I think that in this chapter he will have to choose between escaping or saving Brutus. Much to his own surprise he will choose the latter. He will later question his choice. It was not Nora's curse, since the Brooch fixed that, so why does he care about Brutus? This will prompt a change of heart on him and make him question his motivations that we will get too see in the next 10 years or something.
Or maybe I am simply overthinking this too much and he is simply a Son of a [explicit?] who does not give a damn about anyone else and will be forcibly removed from the comic before the chapter ends.
Also If I remember correctly they did not work for Clovis in as much as he was blackmailing them.
Oh yeah, that would do it, and that definitely seems like something the Templar would do. If that is the case, Trace and his friends might try to free him either because they take pity on his situation or they simply don't want him under Brahn's control.tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 amIt wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out the amulet can be used as a slave collar with just the right word from Brahn. For that reason I hope Clovis gets out of this mess intact. A nice big helping of justice for all of his kin he's sold into slavery and worse.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.
Taking control of Clovis would give the Templar control of all his assets and resources. That alone would be sufficient reason to get him out from under Brahn's control. And hey, if doing so aligns him with Trace and Friends, even if it's in a 'enemy of my enemy' manner, maybe it'd give the character a chance to develop and become at least a little sympathetic. Maybe.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:50 amOh yeah, that would do it, and that definitely seems like something the Templar would do. If that is the case, Trace and his friends might try to free him either because they take pity on his situation or they simply don't want him under Brahn's control.tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 amIt wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out the amulet can be used as a slave collar with just the right word from Brahn. For that reason I hope Clovis gets out of this mess intact. A nice big helping of justice for all of his kin he's sold into slavery and worse.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.
Maybe, but Trace and co. wouldn't think about it in that way. They'd probably do so more because they're disgusted by the idea of slavery and using Clovis as a glorified attack dog moreso than what he could offer them as an ally, that would be an ancillary benefit. Maybe Clovis would initially see it as an "enemy of my enemy" situation, but I doubt Trace and co. would.tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:31 amTaking control of Clovis would give the Templar control of all his assets and resources. That alone would be sufficient reason to get him out from under Brahn's control. And hey, if doing so aligns him with Trace and Friends, even if it's in a 'enemy of my enemy' manner, maybe it'd give the character a chance to develop and become at least a little sympathetic. Maybe.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:50 amOh yeah, that would do it, and that definitely seems like something the Templar would do. If that is the case, Trace and his friends might try to free him either because they take pity on his situation or they simply don't want him under Brahn's control.tony1695 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 amIt wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out the amulet can be used as a slave collar with just the right word from Brahn. For that reason I hope Clovis gets out of this mess intact. A nice big helping of justice for all of his kin he's sold into slavery and worse.Eclipse wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:23 am
I was just thinking that he probably doesn't want to give Clovis free reign with that amulet, an unchained Clovis with that much power is very dangerous for Brahn, as well as pretty much everyone else. He has to have put some kind of limitation on it to keep Clovis in line.