
What is Maddie doing here?
Looking for male nudity, I'd say. Last time we saw her (http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1087/) she was shocked by what she glimpsed looking from the door. I guess her curiosity won out over her Basitin morality.
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I imagine she was underwater. Which considering how long the party and subsequent siege took she has some amazing lungs.Bellhead wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:07 pm Welp, Karen's safe. We can all breathe just a little bit easier.
But where was she that she got to that edge of the pool before Karen was out of reach? If the illusion was only for Karen, I could kinda see it, but if not, Maddie would have had to have been underwater right behind her. Then again, she's not even wearing a swim suit, so I think she just saw that Karen was heading for the edge.
And judging by the splashes near her, I'd wager she just ran down the edge and jumped in at the right moment. Probably was looking at guys, though.
It was suggested during the stream chat that she was hiding on top of the awning-roof above the entrance, which I think makes sense for a lot of reasons.Bellhead wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:07 pmBut where was she that she got to that edge of the pool before Karen was out of reach? If the illusion was only for Karen, I could kinda see it, but if not, Maddie would have had to have been underwater right behind her. Then again, she's not even wearing a swim suit, so I think she just saw that Karen was heading for the edge.
I think you're mis-estimating where Maddie's getting her leverage from. Assuming she had just hit the water in panel 2 and was still moving slightly forward, she would have come to the point where her hips hit the glass at the end of the pool. Given that Karen is below that point, she could hold them both up fairly easily just by holding on and not letting her hips straighten out.MuonNeutrino wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:55 am On another note, Maddie's been selling herself short here, or else she's just too fixated on comparing herself with her mother. Being able to not only catch and halt Karen's fall but fling her over her head like that is no minor feat of strength. It's also a bit physics defying in this case; from their ref sheets they weigh about the same, and the poses there give Karen's weight a *ton* more leverage around the pivot point of the edge of the pool than Maddie's weight. It almost shouldn't matter how strong Maddie is, especially if she still has some forward momentum from lunging to catch Karen the scene really *ought* to end with Maddie flipping forward over the edge of the pool and falling too. But *that* is definitely a much too nitpicky objection for a comic strip.![]()
The problem is that Maddie in this case doesn't have a purchase point. She's not holding *on* to anything except Karen, and that means that it doesn't matter how strong she is - the laws of mechanics are merciless, strength by itself isn't magic and without a purchase point all that being stronger does is let you pull *yourself* forward just as hard as you pull someone *else* backward. Due to Newton's laws, without a purchase point flipping someone backwards over your head also means flipping yourself forwards. Or, at least, at first glance. Thinking about this more carefully, the complicating factor is actually the presence of the water, which *might* let her pull this off but is *extremely* tricky to model.Bellhead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:15 am I think you're mis-estimating where Maddie's getting her leverage from. Assuming she had just hit the water in panel 2 and was still moving slightly forward, she would have come to the point where her hips hit the glass at the end of the pool. Given that Karen is below that point, she could hold them both up fairly easily just by holding on and not letting her hips straighten out.
Pull hard enough with her arms at that point, and Karen would whip right around, pivoting on her own feet, landing pretty much right where Maddie started. And that could be done with a feat of Basitin strength, regardless of size.
I think you're assuming their relative rotation is what flung them over, while I'm thinking of a different approach. I'm going to start with what you've drawn, as I'm too lazy to bother figuring out Photoshop and my old imgur account at 9 pm on a Sunday night, but we'll see..