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Nope : the manor is protected by Nora's magic . Remember : http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1006/steelabjur wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pmWell, the manor is protected by Trace's magic, and it's not like Reni is going to the other side of the world.
There's a difference between a desire to not go and a lack of desire to go somewhere. One is a desire to be anywhere else instead and the other is an absence of desire.
Actually, Reni mentioned Lt. Reed instead for the interrogation.Tetrahedron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:56 am Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
Flora too, though I'm sure she's seen her naked before and since she's the same sex, it's not so much an issue as the guys.
Oh true, very true. Not a learned piece of logic. Rather a void of knowledge; ignorant bliss restored. It is a very important distinction. A consolation prize for surviving. My wording was in error. Well put.AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:33 pmThere's a difference between a desire to not go and a lack of desire to go somewhere. One is a desire to be anywhere else instead and the other is an absence of desire.
Absolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pmCould just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.steelabjur wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
With the late General, it's debatable that he was using dark magic. Constant exposure to a Templar magic tower can only be described as neurologically detrimental, as displayed here by a random nameless Basitin a long while back. While there was no doubt he was an unpleasant individual who abused his power (Keith did get exiled without a trial), he was likely a victim of ambient exposure that simply amplified those negative aspects.JDEzekude wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:31 pmAbsolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pmCould just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.steelabjur wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.tony1695 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:48 am With the late General, it's debatable that he was using dark magic. Constant exposure to a Templar magic tower can only be described as neurologically detrimental, as displayed here by a random nameless Basitin a long while back. While there was no doubt he was an unpleasant individual who abused his power (Keith did get exiled without a trial), he was likely a victim of ambient exposure that simply amplified those negative aspects.
Here Roderick says:AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 pm While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.
Eclipse wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:25 pmReni would die of embarrassment if he showed up.Tetrahedron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:56 am Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:33 pmActually, Reni mentioned Lt. Reed instead for the interrogation.Tetrahedron wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:56 am Yes, Reni, go to the beach!
And invite that certain city guard captain!
He has to come to the castle for the interrogation anyways.
Most of the crazed hostility concluding the Basitin arc could have been attributed to the influence the magic use had on their minds. Alaric and Alabaster both behaved pretty erratically, partly driven by Basitin command-centric instincts, partly magic-use induced no doubt.Yastreb wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:00 pmHere Roderick says:AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:06 pm While that "nameless basitin" was merely exposed to the templars' tower magic for a while, Alabaster was actually using magic.
"The Master Mage found some way to give Basitins the ability to wield magic. But apparently after a while forcing magic makes ‘em go soft in the head. She used to be pretty skilled, but now she can hardly speak in full sentences."
So Vehra did use magic herself. Also I don't think the magic Alabaster used was of the dark variety. Any magic has similar harmful effects on basitins as dark magic has on humans and keidran.
Since we moved onto a new page (and quickly toward the Oasis RoomJDEzekude wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:31 pmAbsolutely. Both Trace Legacy and the late General Albion Alabaster are/were proof of how much dark magic can devastate the individual under its effect. Having said that, if Maddie pushes herself too hard, she may reluctantly live up to her nickname "Madness".tony1695 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:19 pmCould just be a blanket term used to refer to any magic that manipulates the mind/soul. Even if the purpose is benign or benevolent, such magic likely has so many associated risks.steelabjur wrote: ↑Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm Also, Reni seems to think the magic that was used to remove the memory and influence the minds of the girls to prevent them from going back was "dark magic".
) I had a few remaining thoughts on the nature of this memory magic. It is interesting that only when asked to recall the memory it seemed to elude Maddie's grasp. Like a word on the tip of your tongue that slowly and tormentingly abates. Maybe that is the intention and mechanism of the magic. That the recollection of the memory is its undoing. Like reversing a video recording for that particular stretch of time in one's mind. I wonder if this is magic Trace practiced upon himself at any point, hoping that removal of Saria's memory would be an adequate remedy for what befell her... and them. Maybe his attempts were incomplete, removing someone of that significance in one's life would be difficult.
If sunbathing and swimming have anything to do with training for war, then yes.AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Probably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Nah, I reckon Eastern Basitins definitely would engage in leisure. Like, they have taverns. We see Basitins drinking beer and playing cards. I would just imagine that their leisure is more on the organised and goal-oriented and "cultured" and "productive" side. Like I can easily imagine Basitins playing board games or sports or watching theatre, or even having chats with friends in the baths or at the tavern. What's less Basitin-like is "lazy" leisure or "chilled-out" leisure, like just lying at the beach for hours doing nothing but getting a tan.Eclipse wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:41 amProbably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
That's more along the lines of what I was thinking anyway, they probably do fun things, but for the most part probably view them as extracurricular activities that can help make them better soldiers. I could definitely see them playing board games or sports, there's a lot of strategic value in mastering those activities that could translate on the battlefield.AndreRhineDavis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:40 amNah, I reckon Eastern Basitins definitely would engage in leisure. Like, they have taverns. We see Basitins drinking beer and playing cards. I would just imagine that their leisure is more on the organised and goal-oriented and "cultured" and "productive" side. Like I can easily imagine Basitins playing board games or sports or watching theatre, or even having chats with friends in the baths or at the tavern. What's less Basitin-like is "lazy" leisure or "chilled-out" leisure, like just lying at the beach for hours doing nothing but getting a tan.Eclipse wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:41 amProbably not for leisure. Leisure doesn't seem to be a concept for Eastern Basitins. They probably patrol the beaches and oceans for potential threats, but that's about it.AmigaDragon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:59 am I had one more thought on Maddie's reaction. Do (Eastern) basitins ever go to the beach for anything more than fishing or launching/landing boats... like sunbathing and swimming?
Basitins aren't emotionless robots, they're based on real human societies like Spartans, as well as more aspergers/autistic-style mindsets which think and perceive the world much more in terms of organised rules rather than instinct and intuition and spontaneity. There are people in the real world who are like Basitins, as well as whole cultures which have existed which are similar to Basitin culture. Such people still engage in all sorts of the same things as "our" culture does, they are still human with the whole range of human emotions and experiences and wants and needs. They just have different cultural/social norms, and a different way of thinking/feeling about things.
So yeah, sure Eastern Basitins would socialise and have rest and relaxation and fun. The average Basitin just might do it in different ways than the average human.