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He doesn't need to. While Zen might not have forced his way in to Nat's, Nat got all of Zen's in one big rush. Nat should know all about what happened with Carver.
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But does Zen know Nat knows?Kyrit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:13 pm http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1000/
He doesn't need to. While Zen might not have forced his way in to Nat's, Nat got all of Zen's in one big rush. Nat should know all about what happened with Carver.
If he doesn't, he'll know soon enough.amenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:00 amBut does Zen know Nat knows?Kyrit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:13 pm http://twokinds.keenspot.com/comic/1000/
He doesn't need to. While Zen might not have forced his way in to Nat's, Nat got all of Zen's in one big rush. Nat should know all about what happened with Carver.
Have not thought about that, you have a good point. Although i was talking about the "dense" part. Yet Flora is not the smartest Tigress in the ambush and Trace knows basically nothing about the world he lives in, amnesiac after all. So on a second thought his description was accurate.amenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:48 pm Not using people's names is just a part of how Natani keeps his distance from others. It's why it mattered when he called Kat Kathrin instead of Spots.
Oh of course Trace has always been the protagonist of the story. What i tried to say is that the story is mostly about Flora, most of the event transpired had occured for something she has, o not, done. And besides they are always talking about her. Her name is the second or third most common word in all the comic.
I agree if the link allowed Zen to go through all memories, feelings, desires, worries and thoughts of Natani real time then he has no excuse. If so the only reason to tease his sister with the very thing that he knows causes him so much pain is because he is a rather cruel brother. But i do not think that is the case. The link seems to be far from that level of synchronization if so instead of Zen and Nat we would have a single person inhabiting two bodies or something like that, besides the link seems to be a bit asymmetrical with the latest example being what Kyrit pointed out.amenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:48 pm Oh, for sure. I mostly give Zen [censored] when it comes to youngtani because of how critically off-base he was. And the narrative has been waiting some seven of their years to drop the other shoe on it, so there's a certain... height from which it's coming.
It was his desire to protect her that did this, and that's pretty much a perfect tragedy for all involved.
As for current Natani, I don't think any normal intuitions about sibling or familial relationships can apply because of the link. Especially the early times, but even this page reinforces that Zen going through Natani's memories is still the normal state of things (which, of course, we've seen on occasion in the comic.) It is unthinkable to me that he wouldn't understand Natani as completely as anyone has ever understood another person, which makes his giving Natani [censored] about any shred of femininity he shows -- which is the very source of his trauma -- that Zen caused -- just... whoo-ee.
I think is meant to emphasize that the link is not as strong/nedded as before, if Nat can't even notice his brother is missing from inside his own head then there is something very different now.
Wow, nice little bit of research there.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:28 am
Oh of course Trace has always been the protagonist of the story. What i tried to say is that the story is mostly about Flora, most of the event transpired had occured for something she has, o not, done. And besides they are always talking about her. Her name is the second or third most common word in all the comic.
Well, yes, natani is dealing with her she-ness and is acting independently from zen: for the first time in her life.Technic[Bot] wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:28 amI think is meant to emphasize that the link is not as strong/nedded as before, if Nat can't even notice his brother is missing from inside his own head then there is something very different now.
Thanks, hopefully I can update it someday.
I have always found Floraś design and demeanor to be... Soothing for some reason, she has her heart in the right place, although from time to time it seems she dropped her brain on the way...Phaing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:49 am IMHO, that's the way it ought to be. Flora is the most expressive and engaging char in the story, to me anyways.
I'd love to see a flash-forward to catch a glimpse of what kind of Mom she would be (I'm betting she is fantastic) and I also hope she sets a new record for Kiedran life-span. 30 is a nice number, don't you think? It would be great if she could be the one that gets to see her own Great-Grandkids being born... wouldn't it?
Now that everyone is together i hope most secondayr characters can have more growth and significance in the story. Personally i am very curious at seeing how their brotherly bond develops from now on.Phaing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:49 am Well, yes, natani is dealing with her she-ness and is acting independently from zen: for the first time in her life.
Here's hoping that :zen can have an equally impressive development someday, I'm thinking he will need it. Assassins that appear to have switched sides are seldom welcomes back home.... unless they have been reduced to a pot full of ashes.
Perhaps more importantly, for the first time since their parents died - and even more so, for the first time since the soul-splice - Natani knows he is no longer dependent on Zen.
I can already imagine Zen is going to have mixed feelings about that. From being needed to be her anchor for the longest damned time to.. now? It's going to be a bit of an adjustment for him, but probably something he's been hoping to have happen for a very long time.
I don't think that's going to happen. The relationship will change, definitely, but they still are brothers AND friends, and accustomed to relying on each other. And while the link is not (or perhaps "no longer") what Natani thought it was and allowed it to be, it still exists.The real question then is what's he going to do with himself once Natani has cut all the strings?
True enough, maybe I was a little to broad with that statement.Warrl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:07 amI don't think that's going to happen. The relationship will change, definitely, but they still are brothers AND friends, and accustomed to relying on each other. And while the link is not (or perhaps "no longer") what Natani thought it was and allowed it to be, it still exists.The real question then is what's he going to do with himself once Natani has cut all the strings?
The second part, standing on his own, yes, but I don't think the first bit so much. Natani has shown no indications that he's going to go back to identifying as a female again. He may be more comfortable with that side of himself now, but he still says he prefers to be seen as a guy and doesn't want to be addressed as a female, says that his experience still hasn't reversed what happened to him and outright says he has a guy's mind, still binds his chest, and is still annoyed at people seeing him as a female. He's less broken up about the whole thing now and is more accepting of the situation, but still seems to identify as a male.whiskeyfur wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:34 pmI'm just imagining Zen's going to have to change a bit and stop thinking of Natani as his brother and more as a sister, and fully able to stand on her own now. Something she would have proven when the link was blocked.