Sudden ambush?
I don't know, there are reasons why this could happen that are far less rapey than you paint the scene.
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Meh. I just don't like it because of femkeith's expression and posture in general. I think it would've been funnier if the "oh no he's hot!" was still in there, but as it stands I don't think it fits Keith's personality. yeah, I know, it's non canon, but I wouldve liked this better if Keith had something of a smirk and an "oh really?" expression on his/her face, if that makes any sense
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Perhaps in this drawing, it is Keith who is unsure of his gender identity, rather than Natani? After all, this IS non-canon and, to me, is interpreted as an alternate reality. Which means that it is entirely plausible characters personality's are swapped/completely different.
We've definitely seen personality swaps in sketches.
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Were definitely reading into it too much.
We've definitely seen personality swaps in sketches.
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Were definitely reading into it too much.
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It turns out that 'Natani' is actually a cyborg robot from the future who came back in time to capture 'Keith' but by doing so he created a new parallel universe with a few slight differences...Butterscotch wrote:Which means that it is entirely plausible characters personality's are swapped/completely different.
Were definitely reading into it too much.
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Kinda weird that someone like me, who has hounded Tom for pervy [censored], risque [censored], and doing things somewhat in a creepy manner- does not see this as all that bad. I don't see the rapeyness, nor do I really see it as being that out of character.
Maybe that's just because whenever Tom has drawn a male Natani, Natani is extremely confident and smooth. Whenever he's drawn Keith being faced by a confident person, Keith has folded under the pressure slightly. Female Keith, or even a feminine male Keith, has always been especially bad about that. The genderswap doesn't seem to undo their character traits, but rather magnify them. For Natani it makes sense; we've rarely seen Natani be all that confident and comfortable when depicted as female, but rather than being the exact opposite of confident and smooth she just displays frustration and anger toward her female body.
I certainly still see the "oh gosh he's attractive" here in Keith. The hand to the chest isn't clenched too tight into a fist, so it isn't there in fear but rather amazement. The foot is up on the wall, much like she is taken aback by what she sees. The blush is just a product of the embarrassment of Natani showing so much attention.
My one argument to the "it doesn't look rapey" crowd, would be that friends can take advantage of friends. Don't assume that because they're lovers, it's ok, but if they were strangers, it'd be bad. No. Let's just focus on the body language here. The body language looks like Keith is embarrassed to have the attention, but likes what she sees. Natani seems like he's confident in himself, but can register that Keith being slightly flustered over the extra attention.
I think it's cute. And I actually keep forgetting that Natani is topless here. That's a first, right? Tiny not even noticing the "nudity"? Hey, maybe it's because it isn't completely arbitrary or out of place for once. The Anniversary shot had everybody clothed, and this has relevant 'nudity'. Kudos, Tom. You seem to be getting better with knowing how clothes are supposed to operate.
Maybe that's just because whenever Tom has drawn a male Natani, Natani is extremely confident and smooth. Whenever he's drawn Keith being faced by a confident person, Keith has folded under the pressure slightly. Female Keith, or even a feminine male Keith, has always been especially bad about that. The genderswap doesn't seem to undo their character traits, but rather magnify them. For Natani it makes sense; we've rarely seen Natani be all that confident and comfortable when depicted as female, but rather than being the exact opposite of confident and smooth she just displays frustration and anger toward her female body.
I certainly still see the "oh gosh he's attractive" here in Keith. The hand to the chest isn't clenched too tight into a fist, so it isn't there in fear but rather amazement. The foot is up on the wall, much like she is taken aback by what she sees. The blush is just a product of the embarrassment of Natani showing so much attention.
My one argument to the "it doesn't look rapey" crowd, would be that friends can take advantage of friends. Don't assume that because they're lovers, it's ok, but if they were strangers, it'd be bad. No. Let's just focus on the body language here. The body language looks like Keith is embarrassed to have the attention, but likes what she sees. Natani seems like he's confident in himself, but can register that Keith being slightly flustered over the extra attention.
I think it's cute. And I actually keep forgetting that Natani is topless here. That's a first, right? Tiny not even noticing the "nudity"? Hey, maybe it's because it isn't completely arbitrary or out of place for once. The Anniversary shot had everybody clothed, and this has relevant 'nudity'. Kudos, Tom. You seem to be getting better with knowing how clothes are supposed to operate.
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Subjective and also, let the man do some fan service if he wants to once in a while.TinyVoices wrote:Kinda weird that someone like me, who has hounded Tom for pervy [censored], risque [censored], and doing things somewhat in a creepy manner-
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That's irrelevant to what I was actually saying.SirJahar wrote:Subjective and also, let the man do some fan service if he wants to once in a while.
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Since when has Keith folded to authority in comic, other than, you know, his own government?
This is actually the most irritating thing to me surrounding this whole damn comic. Everybody walks on eggshells about Natani, male or female, but it's apparently hi-larious that Keith is constantly portrayed as feminine, cast as female, genderswapped etc even though he's never shown any hint of feminine traits or interest in comic. Tom is the one drawing it, which makes me feel like he's going to start making Keith act like that, against all prior characterization.
I would far rather see more badass Keith. The one who'd rather commit suicide than kill a friend. The one who kicked [censored] by stealing Natani's moves and cheating in a fight. The one who stood up after getting an arrow in the chest and stabbed the assassin in back. Heck, even the Log Horizon pic, where he's playing the part of one of the bravest and strongest characters.
This is actually the most irritating thing to me surrounding this whole damn comic. Everybody walks on eggshells about Natani, male or female, but it's apparently hi-larious that Keith is constantly portrayed as feminine, cast as female, genderswapped etc even though he's never shown any hint of feminine traits or interest in comic. Tom is the one drawing it, which makes me feel like he's going to start making Keith act like that, against all prior characterization.
I would far rather see more badass Keith. The one who'd rather commit suicide than kill a friend. The one who kicked [censored] by stealing Natani's moves and cheating in a fight. The one who stood up after getting an arrow in the chest and stabbed the assassin in back. Heck, even the Log Horizon pic, where he's playing the part of one of the bravest and strongest characters.
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Dude, it's a non-canon bit of artwork that Tom did for fun because he wanted to.
Chill....
Chill....
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There's only one true way to fix this.
Tom must draw this situation in reverse. Huge, female Keith looking at a small and shy Natani.
You know what to do, Tom.
Tom must draw this situation in reverse. Huge, female Keith looking at a small and shy Natani.
You know what to do, Tom.
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Fixed it! Now everyone can be happy! Sort of... Maybe...
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I can appreciate the slight absurdity of the difference in their heights that way, at least!
I've chilled for quite a while on the topic. But I think Tom's non-canon artwork has 80% feminized Keith to normal Keith. At first you laugh, then you scratch your head. Eventually it becomes irritating.jacobc62 wrote:Dude, it's a non-canon bit of artwork that Tom did for fun because he wanted to.
Chill....
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Oh the wonders of photo editingThe Rookie wrote:Fixed it! Now everyone can be happy! Sort of... Maybe...
Not sure about Keith's eyes though, looks like he's definitely got something on his mind
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My jaw, on the floorThe Rookie wrote:Fixed it! Now everyone can be happy! Sort of... Maybe...
That's a pretty incredible piece of work!
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You didn't specify Natani's gender so I'm imagining something magical here.Yash wrote:Huge, female Keith looking at a small and shy Natani.
Indeed, I like it Rook.amenon wrote:That's a pretty incredible piece of work!
His eyes look familiar but I have no clue where they're from... (I realize they're just recolored Natani eyes here, but I remember an artist who drew Keith with that more anime eye shape. And the gold color in his eyes makes the shape stand out more.)