This needs to be a thing. In fact, redraw all of Twokinds from this new boob-vision perspective.Thallium wrote:boob's eye view
Though to be honest, I was thinking like Tendo in that it was the top of her head at first.
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This needs to be a thing. In fact, redraw all of Twokinds from this new boob-vision perspective.Thallium wrote:boob's eye view
>YSpottedKitty wrote:Hmm....normal.human. wrote:Since Nat's soul is still a little broken I think it is falling back on the last time it was whole, but maybe younger Nat can help current Nat piece herself back together!
> NataniOS2.0 has damaged modules
> Last good backup of NataniOS1.0 found
> Repair? Y/N
Wish I knew what — and who — we'd be likely to get out of that...
My mind interprets it as fingers forward and curled at the outer two knuckles (no bend at the palm-most knuckle), with the thumb loosely against her side on top. when I start thinking about it, it does look a little odd, but nothing skeletally shatteringNiara wrote:BadFoMo wrote:I asked Tom about it, apparently it's (as we may have guessed already) just an optical illusion and what we are seeing is her palm.Niara wrote:Edit: Six-fingered young-Nat. Cannot unsee.
I.... honestly cannot see how that can be, given the pose, curvature and positioning of the limb. Can you explain to me the orientation of the hand and wrist in away that would make that make sense?
There's no was to present the any edge of the palm in a fashion like that that doesn't also leave the thumb below the hand... so if that's not the thumb above the hand at the back, then what is it? The way the arm is positioned leaves only two possibilities for the orientation of the wrist and hand - either she has the hand planted in the natural bend of the wrist, as though hand-on-hip, in which case the thumb is above the hand and those lines must be the finger divides... Or else turned back on the hip to that the fingers would be reaching out behind and we'd be seeing either, at a light turn, her thumb in full view on the front of the hand, or if a sharper almost uncomfortable turn, a presented wrist with the thumb beneath the hand. Neither of these latter two are the case, since there is no presented thumb, nor a thumb below the hand.
In order to create the view with that visible surface being the turned side of her palm, her wrist would need to be twisted so far that it would, in all seriousness, be broken... and it would also render the visual aesthetics of the wrist and forearm as we have them, incorrect relative to that. the other explanation, that the forearm and wrist curve as depicted are correct, means that the hand we are seeing should be presenting fingers forward and thumb above... or fingers forward and curled under, with thumb back... which does appear to be exactly what we are seeing... except there's one too many finger divides....
Sooo.... what am I missing?
I know, I know, important page, and I'm focusing in the least important detail....
I was kinda wondering what parts of old natani we were looking at there...TheWMM wrote:This needs to be a thing. In fact, redraw all of Twokinds from this new boob-vision perspective.Thallium wrote:boob's eye view
Though to be honest, I was thinking like Tendo in that it was the top of her head at first.
Hugs Bonaparte Thank you, this makes some much sense!Napoleon wrote:Natani's gender has always bothered me in a way that's difficult to describe. Many treat Natani's condition like the plight of transgendered people in our modern, non-magical filled world, but in context of the plot, the origin seems incredibly malicious.
We all know that she was pretending to be male to avoid prejudice for being a female, and that her actual male feelings are originated from the soul bond. But these two facts makes it really difficult to think of male as her natural gender, which makes talking about her in general difficult because this forum seems split in the middle about her pronoun itself.
In my mind, it's like her society has forced a gender upon her, and moreover the magic has sort of chemically castrated her, forcing her to not be female. It's not like she was born with these feelings. Thus, talking about her as male, IMO, feels like being insensitive to her oppression and physical abuse. I don't know; maybe I'm just crazy.
Mostly from the fact that the first thing young Natani does here is complain about getting bigger boobs. This could just be for a practical reason, since Nat did have to pass for male even before the soul scorching, but it also might not. We won't know for sure until the scene is over, I guess, and I for one would find it somewhat disappointing if Natani goes back to consider himself female the moment he's well enough to live without the link. His male nature seems too big a part of his character.FurryTanker wrote:Hugs Bonaparte Thank you, this makes some much sense!Napoleon wrote:Natani's gender has always bothered me in a way that's difficult to describe. Many treat Natani's condition like the plight of transgendered people in our modern, non-magical filled world, but in context of the plot, the origin seems incredibly malicious.
We all know that she was pretending to be male to avoid prejudice for being a female, and that her actual male feelings are originated from the soul bond. But these two facts makes it really difficult to think of male as her natural gender, which makes talking about her in general difficult because this forum seems split in the middle about her pronoun itself.
In my mind, it's like her society has forced a gender upon her, and moreover the magic has sort of chemically castrated her, forcing her to not be female. It's not like she was born with these feelings. Thus, talking about her as male, IMO, feels like being insensitive to her oppression and physical abuse. I don't know; maybe I'm just crazy.
But I'd like to ask, where are people getting the idea that Natani wanted to be a guy before the indecent?
I agree. Natani doesn't appear to be a true transgender person to me. She just has prejudices against being female because of the misogynistic tendencies of wolf culture. Hopefully, she will figure out that she can be strong without being male.Napoleon wrote:Natani's gender has always bothered me in a way that's difficult to describe. Many treat Natani's condition like the plight of transgendered people in our modern, non-magical filled world, but in context of the plot, the origin seems incredibly malicious.
We all know that she was pretending to be male to avoid prejudice for being a female, and that her actual male feelings are originated from the soul bond. But these two facts makes it really difficult to think of male as her natural gender, which makes talking about her in general difficult because this forum seems split in the middle about her pronoun itself.
In my mind, it's like her society has forced a gender upon her, and moreover the magic has sort of chemically castrated her, forcing her to not be female. It's not like she was born with these feelings. Thus, talking about her as male, IMO, feels like being insensitive to her oppression and physical abuse. I don't know; maybe I'm just crazy.
Maybe Nat's always been something of a tom-boy anyway, eh?Combak wrote:Well, I'm pretty sure no one expected that, although it does explain the odd voice Natani had heard on the previous page.
For all the folks commenting on how made Natani will decide to go with a female gender identity, note what the younger version of Natani says: "Man, I end up stacked when I'm older. What a pain." Assuming "stacked" refers to heavy chested and not muscular, it seems even young Natani didn't like being a girl much.
See, that's just it. If Natani was more self-assured, maybe murder would become less necessary. At least among friends [2012-02-08]Dadrobit wrote:However, I reaaaaaaaaly don't see Natani becoming any more masculine, or even any more assured of that masculinity by this arc. Recall that she was more or less willing to kill to maintain the facade of being a man. (See page 538)
She's the one who cut off her hair and joined the brotherhood, despite Zen's objections, and by all accounts did well at it -- and I see no reason to think she had any issue with being female, except for the practical concerns of needing to hide it, and the reasons she needed to hide it. Really, it might only be our Natani that tries to blame every weakness on the body.Dadrobit wrote:As for your 'young Natani didn't faff around', I'm not sure I follow.
Well, hotter than one anyway. Yum!TheWMM wrote:Two Natanis are better than one?
I think the reason he's surprised and asking why he still looks like a woman, is that in past dreamscapes/etc he *hasn't* looked like one (also in TDM but can't link that). Whenever we've seen Natani's own mental image of himself before, he's always appeared as male. This is a sudden change, for him.Aurora wrote:It's kind of strange that Nat would ask why the breasts are still there during a dream-scape.
Maybe Nat identifies as being male, but has forgotten that the original gender is still female.
Or ... maybe it is an expression of denial at this point from identifying as a guy for so long?