Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
Not sure if someone's said it, but I think this is the only time Lynn's eyes have opened further than a centimeter.
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
By all accounts the terms of his return were just "bring the Grand Templar," a task that was supposed to be impossible so not much more thought was put into it. Since Keith's success was unprecedented he wasn't automatically granted his citizenship back and a trial was set for the next day. Presumably to determine if Keith had fulfilled the conditions of his banishment and if he would be allowed to reenter Basitin society.amenon wrote:Trace's timeline is set earlier (2004-03-08) than Keith's (unless it's been retconned at some point, of course; the at-time thread is not useful) so that doesn't seem like an explanation. And it comes down to what Keith said at the docks, anyway, and that was much later. (At least I don't think the condition is mentioned earlier)AndreRhineDavis wrote:So yeah, I reckon that when Tom first made the comic, he had imagined that Trace was already Grand Templar when Keith was banished,
I think it's most reasonable to just assume that the condition was 'The Grand Templar'. For it to have been Trace specifically, you'd have to explain why. The excuse was also 'for diplomatic reasons', which easily fits the Grand Templar.
I mean, it could be Trace specifically, for some unknown reason. But, Occam's razor.
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
Aye, it is indeed most likely just an argument in semantics and it's just a continuity/ phrasing error of kinds.amenon wrote:Trace's timeline is set earlier (2004-03-08) than Keith's (unless it's been retconned at some point, of course; the at-time thread is not useful) so that doesn't seem like an explanation. And it comes down to what Keith said at the docks, anyway, and that was much later. (At least I don't think the condition is mentioned earlier)AndreRhineDavis wrote:So yeah, I reckon that when Tom first made the comic, he had imagined that Trace was already Grand Templar when Keith was banished,
I think it's most reasonable to just assume that the condition was 'The Grand Templar'. For it to have been Trace specifically, you'd have to explain why. The excuse was also 'for diplomatic reasons', which easily fits the Grand Templar.
I mean, it could be Trace specifically, for some unknown reason. But, Occam's razor.
However if I were to continue to defend it, (and again, this is just spitballing theory for the sake of argument) my best guess would lead me to thinking that perhaps it was just Alabaster believing that sending him after a random minor Templar would be more difficult than locating the single most powerful one. Like trying to locate and identify a single particular worker ant in a hive rather than digging to find the queen. And it just so happened that Trace would become more than he could have imagined at the time.
Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
I'm not aware of a single account of it being "bring the Grand Templar". That's where this discussion about what's to be inferred always comes fromSchrodinger wrote: By all accounts the terms of his return were just "bring the Grand Templar," a task that was supposed to be impossible so not much more thought was put into it. Since Keith's success was unprecedented he wasn't automatically granted his citizenship back and a trial was set for the next day. Presumably to determine if Keith had fulfilled the conditions of his banishment and if he would be allowed to reenter Basitin society.
Keith says Trace (2007-02-28)
Alaric says Trace (2007-11-26)
I don't have a pet theory for why it might be Trace specifically, especially since Alaric says they didn't really have any use for him.
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
I guess my memory is faultier than I thought.amenon wrote:I'm not aware of a single account of it being "bring the Grand Templar". That's where this discussion about what's to be inferred always comes fromSchrodinger wrote: By all accounts the terms of his return were just "bring the Grand Templar," a task that was supposed to be impossible so not much more thought was put into it. Since Keith's success was unprecedented he wasn't automatically granted his citizenship back and a trial was set for the next day. Presumably to determine if Keith had fulfilled the conditions of his banishment and if he would be allowed to reenter Basitin society.
Keith says Trace (2007-02-28)
Alaric says Trace (2007-11-26)
I don't have a pet theory for why it might be Trace specifically, especially since Alaric says they didn't really have any use for him.
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
It is also important to note here that Trace is not even technically the Grand Templar. Due to his absence, he is now only considered, "... the former Grand Templar." Even Keith acknowledges this saying he was, "once Grand Templar."Schrodinger wrote:I guess my memory is faultier than I thought.amenon wrote:I'm not aware of a single account of it being "bring the Grand Templar". That's where this discussion about what's to be inferred always comes fromSchrodinger wrote: By all accounts the terms of his return were just "bring the Grand Templar," a task that was supposed to be impossible so not much more thought was put into it. Since Keith's success was unprecedented he wasn't automatically granted his citizenship back and a trial was set for the next day. Presumably to determine if Keith had fulfilled the conditions of his banishment and if he would be allowed to reenter Basitin society.
Keith says Trace (2007-02-28)
Alaric says Trace (2007-11-26)
I don't have a pet theory for why it might be Trace specifically, especially since Alaric says they didn't really have any use for him.
Knowing this and assuming that the return condition was "Bring back the Grand Templar," one would expect that Alabaster would have picked up on this and would have immediately denied or at least attempted to deny Keith access to the island based on that discrepancy. However, instead he is only able to begrudge Keith saying that it was supposed to have been impossible implying that the conditions were indeed met, however unlikely.
And Alaric heavily reinforces this later, by not only saying that is was "supposed" to be impossible, but he also says the mission was to specifically bring back Trace, and he concludes outright that Keith "did it!"
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For more information on Trace clearly not being the current Grand Templar, see the following pages, it's mentioned as early as 2004.
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=57
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=75
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=99
http://twokinds.keenspot.com/archive.php?p=193
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
Indeed; in the comic itself it's always explicitly mentioned to "bring back Trace".amenon wrote:I'm not aware of a single account of it being "bring the Grand Templar". That's where this discussion about what's to be inferred always comes fromSchrodinger wrote: By all accounts the terms of his return were just "bring the Grand Templar," a task that was supposed to be impossible so not much more thought was put into it. Since Keith's success was unprecedented he wasn't automatically granted his citizenship back and a trial was set for the next day. Presumably to determine if Keith had fulfilled the conditions of his banishment and if he would be allowed to reenter Basitin society.
Keith says Trace (2007-02-28)
Alaric says Trace (2007-11-26)
I don't have a pet theory for why it might be Trace specifically, especially since Alaric says they didn't really have any use for him.
In Keith's entry in the character page however, it does say: "He was ordered not to return until he brought back the Grand Templar."
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Re: Comic for Wednesday, August 26 2015
I find it fun to look at this week's comic then the first comic, and see how much the art has frown and improved.
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