Kitch wrote:They totally did it.
Also, what if tried to put her shackles on ?
would be funny as hell
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Kitch wrote:They totally did it.
Also, what if tried to put her shackles on ?
And if breaks the shackle?, remember that the shackle is too fragile and already broke once, could become trapped at her Keidran form forever. I don't think that be a good move, and less if risks something as valuable as the shackle and gets nothing in returnKitch wrote: what if tried to put her shackles on ?
I'm thinking back to some of the recent forum speculation — could it be that this is Raine's "natural" form, and she just swerves back and forth between Keidran and Human extremes depending on how agitated or calm she is, or how much in control of her magic?obi-wan wrote:And if breaks the shackle?, remember that the shackle is too fragile and already broke once, could become trapped at her Keidran form forever.
SpottedKitty wrote:I think it'll have precisely zero effect on Zen.
It only suppresses Raine's magical abilities, they're still there. So even if they did put them on Zen, his passive magic would still be active. There would be no affect.SpottedKitty wrote:Unless... is his soul-link with Natani dependent on magic? If so, the shackle might cut them off from each other if he's wearing it. And Group B doesn't know about that link...
I don't think the enchantment necessarily works on whoever is touching the shackle, but on Raine specifically. Back on this page we could still see the enchantment affecting Raine even when it was handling it. Though, there is also this page where we do see an enchantment working on the person wearing the shackle... so I'd speculate that who it affects is a property of the enchantment. It'd make sense for a slave control spell to work on whoever is wearing the shackle -- since slaves have a habit of being sold off or dying, it'd be more efficient to be able to reuse the same shackle/enchantment with multiple slaves -- while with Raine, the enchantment was the same one that was put on her locket, which was intended only and specifically for her. The shackle was just a convenient object to hold the enchantment that she could keep around.SpottedKitty wrote:And considering that the shackle is a magic-suppressor enchantment, not a keep-Raine-human enchantment, I think it'll have precisely zero effect on Zen. Unless... is his soul-link with Natani dependent on magic? If so, the shackle might cut them off from each other if he's wearing it. And Group B doesn't know about that link...
What in all of Mekkan is a "Horcrux"?AndreRhineDavis wrote: I wonder if perhaps Natani and Zen serve as Horcruxes for each other.
A Horcrux is an object that you put a part of your soul in to keep yourself alive. It's from the Harry Potter universe. It's a sad attempt at immortality.Kaz wrote:What in all of Mekkan is a "Horcrux"?AndreRhineDavis wrote: I wonder if perhaps Natani and Zen serve as Horcruxes for each other.
If the shackle broke Raine wouldn't be forever stuck as a Keidran. It does suppress the form for her, but she doesn't need the shackle to do so. Her mother's already told her that if she can learn to control her power/stay calm she'd be fine. The shackle breaking would honestly be a good way to force Raine to either learn to control her powers or to accept herself for what she is. Or both even.obi-wan wrote: And if breaks the shackle?, remember that the shackle is too fragile and already broke once, could become trapped at her Keidran form forever.
The shackle probably was used for its durability. Granted, we've actually seen it break, but Mary might have thought it wouldn't break so easily. The reason Raine even learned of what she was was due to a 'more stable object'. The original item used was a locket, but such things break rather easily when accidentally stepped on. Meanwhile you wouldn't think that an iron shackle would crack so easily as hers did. That same page also explains that they were sold in to slavery for a short while, so Mary probably just enchanted whatever she could at the time that she didn't think would break. It's true she could've later found a better object, but it also mentions on that page that they were separated while on the run.Chris wrote:And why not redo the enchantment on a more stable object that wouldn't dispel whenever it was unwittingly opened?
At the time, yeah, it makes sense that she'd just enchant the closest, most viable object. Like was mentioned though, they reunited later on but she just quietly disappeared since then, hence my query about why she didn't stay with Raine or attempt to enchant something better.Kyrit wrote:That same page also explains that they were sold in to slavery for a short while, so Mary probably just enchanted whatever she could at the time that she didn't think would break. It's true she could've later found a better object, but it also mentions on that page that they were separated while on the run.
Also, it appears that the shackle only works when closed.Kyrit wrote: The shackle probably was used for its durability. Granted, we've actually seen it break, but Mary might have thought it wouldn't break so easily. The reason Raine even learned of what she was was due to a 'more stable object'. The original item used was a locket, but such things break rather easily when accidentally stepped on. Meanwhile you wouldn't think that an iron shackle would crack so easily as hers did.
The latch isn't broken. There's a crack going over the enchantment, not over the latch. The latch itself is working just fine.Warrl wrote:Also, it appears that the shackle only works when closed.Kyrit wrote: The shackle probably was used for its durability. Granted, we've actually seen it break, but Mary might have thought it wouldn't break so easily. The reason Raine even learned of what she was was due to a 'more stable object'. The original item used was a locket, but such things break rather easily when accidentally stepped on. Meanwhile you wouldn't think that an iron shackle would crack so easily as hers did.
And the shackle itself looks intact - except for a broken latch that won't hold it closed.
I wonder if closing it and tying a cord around it would work.
Dang, I missed that page. The post-breakage picture of the shackle I found, looked intact. (On closer examination, I can see the crack - but I thought it was a grass stem.)Kyrit wrote:The latch isn't broken. There's a crack going over the enchantment, not over the latch. The latch itself is working just fine.Warrl wrote:Also, it appears that the shackle only works when closed.Kyrit wrote: The shackle probably was used for its durability. Granted, we've actually seen it break, but Mary might have thought it wouldn't break so easily. The reason Raine even learned of what she was was due to a 'more stable object'. The original item used was a locket, but such things break rather easily when accidentally stepped on. Meanwhile you wouldn't think that an iron shackle would crack so easily as hers did.
And the shackle itself looks intact - except for a broken latch that won't hold it closed.
I wonder if closing it and tying a cord around it would work.
Mind that she doesn't like the idea of killing him, and she found out she can somewhat control her form. Some training and excercise and she might get good at it. Also, the group she currently travels with already seen her and didn't react bad to it - I'd even say that all of them (including Red) reacted quite well. Oh, right, some were some unconscious. They could count as reacted-well too, since they apparently were not moved by that, literallyobi-wan wrote:I don't think that be a good move, and less if risks something as valuable as the shackle and gets nothing in returnKitch wrote:what if tried to put her shackles on ?