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I just suddenly realised that the word "natani" in old-fashioned Hebrew means "he gave to me". Refering to Zen's soul? Crazy coincidence.

(Compare the name "Nathaniel", which means "God has given", for those who are interested)

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Wow that is actually really cool.

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Coincidence, I think not! Actually it most likely is. That is interesting though.

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AndreRhineDavis wrote:I just suddenly realised that the word "natani" in old-fashioned Hebrew means "he gave to me". Refering to Zen's soul? Crazy coincidence.

(Compare the name "Nathaniel", which means "God has given", for those who are interested)
He gave me in hebrew is הוא נתן לי (Hu Natan li) and as you said Nathaniel means God has given
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obi-wan wrote:
AndreRhineDavis wrote:I just suddenly realised that the word "natani" in old-fashioned Hebrew means "he gave to me". Refering to Zen's soul? Crazy coincidence.

(Compare the name "Nathaniel", which means "God has given", for those who are interested)
He gave me in hebrew is הוא נתן לי (Hu Natan li) and as you said Nathaniel means God has given
Well firstly, you can get rid of the subject הוא [hu] (meaning "he"), like in Spanish. It doesn't need to be there explicitly.

And that leaves us with נתן [natan] (= he-gave) + לי [li] (= to-me).

Ehhhhhhhhhh.... ahhhh...... [censored]...... I just realised I made a mistake and now I'm really embarassed that I posted this whole thread and wasted all of your time and now look like an idiot >_<.

If it were "he gave me" as in he gave me TO someone, THEN it would be נתן [natan] (= he-gave) + אותי [oti] (= OBJECT-me). And in old fashioned Hebrew, the אותי can be reduced to a suffix on the verb:
נתן אותי [natan oti] --> נתני [natani] = he gave me (to someone)

But to actually say "he gave me" as in he gave me SOMETHING, it would be נתן לי [natan li].

oops. :oops:
well at least I hope I've piqued the interest of anyone who likes languages

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AndreRhineDavis wrote:
obi-wan wrote:
AndreRhineDavis wrote:I just suddenly realised that the word "natani" in old-fashioned Hebrew means "he gave to me". Refering to Zen's soul? Crazy coincidence.

(Compare the name "Nathaniel", which means "God has given", for those who are interested)
He gave me in hebrew is הוא נתן לי (Hu Natan li) and as you said Nathaniel means God has given
Well firstly, you can get rid of the subject הוא [hu] (meaning "he"), like in Spanish. It doesn't need to be there explicitly.

And that leaves us with נתן [natan] (= given) + לי [li] (= to-me).

Ehhhhhhhhhh.... ahhhh...... [censored]...... I just realised I made a mistake and now I'm really embarassed that I posted this whole thread and wasted all of your time and now look like an idiot >_<.

If it were "he gave me" as in he gave me TO someone, THEN it would be נתן [natan] (= he-gave) + אותי [oti] (= OBJECT-me). And in old fashioned Hebrew, the אותי can be reduced to a suffix on the verb:
נתן אותי [natan oti] --> נתני [natani] = he gave me (to someone)

But to actually say "he gave me" as in he gave me SOMETHING, it would be נתן לי [natan li].

oops. :oops:
well at least I hope I've piqued the interest of anyone who likes languages

We could ask Tom, perhaps, his original idea was to call her Natani for that reason, and that would indicate that Tom is fluent in several languages
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Aw well, it was a fun idea while it lasted.

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I still think it is a very rad thing even if it is not perfect :D
I mean it is well-known that giving names to your characters either in stories or games is always a hardest part, but when you come across something like this: daaaaaaaaaaamn! :grin:
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#9 Post by MuonNeutrino »

Honestly, even if the interpretation of 'Natani' as 'He gave me (something)' isn't technically correct, I would still give credence to this theory. That is far, far too close a match to be a coincidence. I would personally just imagine that Tom wasn't aware of the fine distinction between the two uses of 'me' in hebrew - that seems like a very easy mistake to make when trying to use a language you don't know. Or it could have been a name Tom got ready-made from somewhere and the mistake was on the part of whoever he got it from.
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Him wrote:Coincidence, I think not! Actually it most likely is. That is interesting though.
If Natani means "he gave me", what would be the purpose of Zen's name? He doesn't seem very "zen" to me...
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#11 Post by Neutral Smith »

Sometimes names are pure coincidence. My name means 'money' in Welsh :|

But I don't think Natani is coincidence. Just a free interpretation of something in a 'strange' language. Of course Tom could replace every Natani with Natanli, but that would be a lot of work.
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Bellhead wrote:
Him wrote:Coincidence, I think not! Actually it most likely is. That is interesting though.
If Natani means "he gave me", what would be the purpose of Zen's name? He doesn't seem very "zen" to me...
The word Zen is the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese word chan (禅), which turn derives from the Sanskrit word dhiana, meaning 'meditation'.
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Obi, your command of languages is surprisingly astute. Bravo, sir.
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Twippit wrote:Obi, your command of languages is surprisingly astute. Bravo, sir.
besides the spanish (my first language), I studied hebrew(I'm jewish) and english (in the high school)
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obi-wan wrote:
Bellhead wrote:
Him wrote:Coincidence, I think not! Actually it most likely is. That is interesting though.
If Natani means "he gave me", what would be the purpose of Zen's name? He doesn't seem very "zen" to me...
The word Zen is the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese word chan (禅), which turn derives from the Sanskrit word dhiana, meaning 'meditation'.
I thought that was the general meaning of the word, but what I don't get is why, and if, his name fits his personality, and why, if at all.
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