Comic for January 25, 2020: Old Plans Reawakened

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Well, so much for that. Sythe just got c*ckblocked by an Evil Trace black magic ritual. This isn't going to be a fun time.

And yeah, definitely explains why Evil Trace was dating Maren. Did anyone really believe he was legitimately interested in her?

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Eclipse wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:17 amAnd yeah, definitely explains why Evil Trace was dating Maren. Did anyone really believe he was legitimately interested in her?
It’s not all bad. At least Karen got some sweet ears out of the deal. :karen:
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I'm trying to remember... thinking back a few pages to Maren and Sythe coming into the Oasis Room, did we ever settle whether Maren's comment of "he never invited me here before" was about the estate or just the Oasis? I think it must be the estate itself she's never seen before, since she didn't know about the tables. And the creepy thing behind the rose seal definitely can't have seen her before. The thot plickens... :shock:
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Aww, shucks.

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#20 Post by AndreRhineDavis »

This raises so many questions!
Like everyone else, I'm also super curious as to who these voices are.
It's pretty clear it's not Rose, I mean Rose has seen Maren already and didn't react strangely to her at all. In fact, I would suggest that Rose is unaware of Maren's role in Trace's plot. You'd think that if Rose knew, she's either be warning Maren to stay away from the tables or luring Maren into the forbidden room or just interacting with Maren in *some* unusual way. Not to mention this voice is not one entity, it seems to be two entities talking to each other. And the "voice bubbles" have a similar sort of design to the black smoke hallucination. The vibe I'm getting is that this is a collective of various entities, like Trace's "minions" or "demons" or "house elves", designed to do Trace's bidding. Like a quasi-sentient collective programmed by Trace to keep his estate in order. Maybe they take orders from Rose, but they also have their own agendas and programming that Rose is unaware of. I don't think they're real "people" though. It's almost like sentient manifestations of Trace's magical programming.

Whoever they are, they're real cockblocks xP
And yeah, as people have said, this puts Trace's relationship with Maren in a wayyyyyyyy darker light. Big yikes.
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Sythe, here is your chance to be brave, to prove yourself. Before you stands a genuine "Damsel in Distress". Go rescue her.

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CrRAR wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 amRose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
Uhh.. Come again? The only instance I remember that happening was back at breakfast, when Trace offered her a place at the table, and she refused out of social status.
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CrRAR wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 am Rose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
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I think she just asked "Me?" because she was surprised at Trace's concern for her well being, not as a hint that she has multiple personalities or anything. Again, probably a social status thing because Rose is used to being treated as a slave instead of a person.

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CrRAR wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 am
Cosmacelf wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:49 am Who or what is talking though?
Now who is this combinant entity? Parts of a single person? It sounds like a third party... the way it’s talking about serving its purpose carrying out the plan.

Rose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
Who/what are they and how do they know Maren? She has never been here before.
AndreRhineDavis wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:53 am This raises so many questions!
Like everyone else, I'm also super curious as to who these voices are.
It's pretty clear it's not Rose, I mean Rose has seen Maren already and didn't react strangely to her at all. In fact, I would suggest that Rose is unaware of Maren's role in Trace's plot. You'd think that if Rose knew, she's either be warning Maren to stay away from the tables or luring Maren into the forbidden room or just interacting with Maren in *some* unusual way. Not to mention this voice is not one entity, it seems to be two entities talking to each other. And the "voice bubbles" have a similar sort of design to the black smoke hallucination. The vibe I'm getting is that this is a collective of various entities, like Trace's "minions" or "demons" or "house elves", designed to do Trace's bidding. Like a quasi-sentient collective programmed by Trace to keep his estate in order. Maybe they take orders from Rose, but they also have their own agendas and programming that Rose is unaware of. I don't think they're real "people" though. It's almost like sentient manifestations of Trace's magical programming.
Like a fractured computer AI.
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Eclipse wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:19 pm
CrRAR wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 am Rose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
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I think she just asked "Me?" because she was surprised at Trace's concern for her well being, not as a hint that she has multiple personalities or anything. Again, probably a social status thing because Rose is used to being treated as a slave instead of a person.
At that point though she had just been unrestricted, the fact that she was suddenly overwhelmed enough to be disoriented indicates to me a bit of psychological disassociation. As if the rush of power for a moment, made her foreign to the idea of being a ‘me’. Just like she said, it was disorienting.

Spooky when you think about it that way, but yes on the surface still feels cordial.
Bellhead wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:02 am
CrRAR wrote:Rose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
Uhh.. Come again? The only instance I remember that happening was back at breakfast, when Trace offered her a place at the table, and she refused out of social status.
Attention to Raine too don’t forget in the lessons she’s been giving her. They may be harsh, but she’s is training up an innocent floof to compete in a very hostile world. Also don’t forget Rose’s conversation with Euchre. Rose is still very much still herself it seems, she may be the tip of the iceberg or one face to the estate madness, but it is her with latent ulterior motives or not.
AmigaDragon wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:37 pm Who/what are they and how do they know Maren? She has never been here before.
Whatever these entities are we know that Trace did some of his darkest work at the estate, it’s obvious whatever they are are serving Trace’s will, whether voluntary or not. If they’ve been stripped of their own will they’re as impartial, as mentioned, as an AI and are just executing the next step of a plan. Devoid of humanity. Wouldn’t matter who they even were. (though they do seem conversational enough)

Which also raises a question, if Maren were swapped... what would become of ‘her’. Would she be disgarded and ‘overwritten’, or... ‘stored’ somewhere? Spooky. (creepy rose-tank goes glug glug)

I do wonder though with Rose’s arrangement, she had some sentimental attachment to parts of Trace’s life (Saria) and Trace possibly used that to his advantage in incorpoating her to the estate... and now we know how he intended to use Maren... Trace had no qualms in acting as the devil doing a deal.

Just think, Rose wanted to be there, so he found her an appropriate purpose. Now imagine you not wanting to be part of Trace’s dark designs and he did anyway. We’re kind of seeing an example of that unfold right now with Maren.
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I suspect we'll now find out "whatever's in that room on the third floor".

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Pallais wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:45 pm I suspect we'll now find out "whatever's in that room on the third floor".
In Trace’s Estate 3rd floor room goes TO YOU!

or!

Sythe: *looks around* “Hey, wait maybe this isn’t MY room (dang, all those hallways all look so similar)

“H-hey... Maren... do you remember how many flights of stairs we climbed to get here?”

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CrRAR wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:59 amRose as we’ve seen her so far is very much her own genuine personality as far as we know... she feels affection for Raine and carries on like she is intact (though she did that one time ask if the her she was being addresed as is ‘me’,foreshadowing potentially existing among other(s)). Maybe she has knowledge of them, she seems to be compartmentalized to herself though enough to be “whole”, but is able to “feel” around the estate like they can.
I don't read that as a questioning of sense of self, but more of surprise that Trace is asking after her well-being. Given what we know of evil!Trace, that doesn't seem too surprising to me. My read on the situation is that Trace would have, depending on how much he values Rose's connection to Saria, either A) completely rewritten Rose's personality to be subservient (obviously not the case), B) only adjusted her personality just enough to ensure his safety (doubtful, given the last panel on the page you linked, but still possible), or C) left her personality untouched (my current theory). In so doing, I don't see him making multiple copies of Rose - or, at least, I don't see him keeping previous copies - but I do see him attempting to recreate Saria with black magic and have what's in the Manor be his work-in-progress that was left behind when he lost his memories.

I am rather surprised that he hooked the thing - whatever it is - into the magic of the Manor, but evidence says otherwise
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tony1695 wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:45 am And suddenly why Trace went after Maren despite still being madly in love with Saria makes a lot of sense.
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Is it just me, or are there bubbles behind the cracked red glass?

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