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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#16 Post by AmigaDragon » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:22 am

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On another note: Seeing Raine's hair down like that has been poking around in the back of my head as reminding me of someone. I've finally figured out who it is, but the reference will probably date me a bit - Inuyasha.
Yet another "you lost me" reference. While I'd heard the name before, I've never seen the comic/show.
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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#17 Post by JohnTheWysard » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:30 am

Sorry for getting jargony. Yes, a cumulonimbus cloud is a thunderhead; hurricanes usually have many of them. They generate electric fields (potential!) that cause lightning; these fields can be millions of volts.

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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#18 Post by SomeBody » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:58 am

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Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:05 am
Uh... you guys don't even remember that somebody quite recently DID have their memory wiped? After Rose specifically did magic on them?
Was that actually Rose though? Or was it part of the room's automated defence? No strong evidence exists one way or the other.
Just conservation of narrative detail. She makes an offhand comment about doing a thing, and that thing has already been done to somebody. She's also STILL not talking about what's in that room, even though she must know and has had some of the restrictions lifted.

I assume that this is all for good reason, in the end. It looks like Trace did a real number on her, and it's possible she's trying to break free without actually letting him know what he did in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want to drive him nuts again... or give him any bright ideas on ways to keep his wife around beyond her normal lifespan?

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#19 Post by AmigaDragon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:23 pm

If Natani hears about this class, will she ask to sit in? What about Kat? She expressed an interest once in magic.
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#20 Post by greywolf » Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:25 am

The question of what rose really is now keeps coming up. I can't help but imagine that somewhere in the estate we would find her real body having been literally integrated into the manor with all sorts of devices and tubes attached, keeping her alive and in contact with ever part of the estate. All of this while her projected illusion (for lack of a better word) interacts with guests performs daily tasks and keeps things running smoothly.

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#21 Post by SomeBody » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:06 am

greywolf wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:25 am
The question of what rose really is now keeps coming up. I can't help but imagine that somewhere in the estate we would find her real body having been literally integrated into the manor with all sorts of devices and tubes attached, keeping her alive and in contact with ever part of the estate. All of this while her projected illusion (for lack of a better word) interacts with guests performs daily tasks and keeps things running smoothly.

I mean...

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#22 Post by AndreRhineDavis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:26 am

I guess the only thing which sort of bothers me is how little Raine is reacting to Rose being her living relative.
Like, imagine Raine's position. She's lived a very isolated and lonely life for much of her life. Her mum was emotionally and physically distant from her, and her dad wasn't in the picture for most of her life either. She's had so few friends, and her biological family has been extremely distant and unemotional to her. It sounds like her caretaker was loving and caring to her, but I imagine she would have deep psychological fantasies about having parents who love her and care about her.
Now suddenly out of nowhere, she meets Rose who is a *living relative* of hers! I assume this is the only person she's even met that's actually *related* to her other than her mum and dad. That alone would be huge for any normal person. But especially someone in Raine's position, who has experienced such isolation in general and such distance from her parents, I would expect a far stronger emotional reaction out of Raine. Whether feelings of happiness and excitement and affection for Rose and a sense of belonging now that she has a familial connection, or anger and frustration that Rose was never part of her life before and never visited her before in her years of loneliness, or anxiety and fear that Rose will be distant with her just like her parents were. I mean, I personally assumed / hoped for the first, that when Raine discovered Rose was her aunt, she would be in utter shock at actually having a family member, and would immediately form a connection to Rose and want to see her as a mother figure. And I was hoping that this might soften Rose a bit too. After all, Rose also has been very isolated and emotionally/psychologically hurt these past few years. Very disconnected from other people. I was hoping that Raine and Rose were precisely what each other needed, a real family member to care for. Something that must really come as a shock for both of them after their years of loneliness and isolation, but would soon be exactly the emotional and psychological connection and affection they needed.

Instead, they both seem pretty nonplussed about the whole thing. When Euchre tells Rose that Raine is his daughter, Rose was just like "<shrug> whatever dude". Then when Rose interacted with Raine, she was gentle and kind to begin with, and did even say "We are family after all". But that had like little to no emotional effect on Raine! It was just like "Are you my dad's cousin Rose?" "Yeah" "Oh cool, then can you help me with my issues?". They were both more concerned about Raine's transformation problems than, like, "holy crap you're my long lost relative?!?! :O :O <3 <3"

I guess though this sort of thing happens quite a bit in fantasy and science fiction and similar such genres, where the psychological effects of various things are ignored, when they are not important to the plot or character development, or indeed would be an inconvenience to them. Like, the amount of [censored] that happens to the characters in many TV shows would be more than enough to give them serious serious psychological issues. But that's not fun to watch and is just a hindrance to the type of show the writers want to tell, so let's just ignore all that.
Like tbh, I actually recently met someone in real life who *was* sent away to live an isolated life throughout much of her teenage years. Who *was* prevented from socialising with other people her age. And let me tell you, this sort of thing leaves a host of emotional, social and psychological problems. I find it unrealistic that Raine acts so... *normal*, especially given her age. Like maybe if she was in her mid twenties and had had years to mature and deal with her isolated childhood and teen years, she could be in a much more mentally healthy state. But when we first met Raine, she was still on the run with her mum, it sounded like she had had little to no experience with dealing and interacting with other people at all before. That she had never had any friends before. So the extent that Raine is mature, is socially adept and "normal", is psychologically well-rounded... it just seems so surprising to me. And yeah, I had accepted that as "oh well this is who Raine is", but her lack of emotional interaction with Rose just suspends my disbelief a bit too thinly.

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#23 Post by aitaituo » Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:52 am

If you have any experience with meeting distant relatives, then Raine's and Rose's reactions are actually pretty realistic. I don't want to read deeply into Tom's experiences, but he has posted that he's gone to Korea to meet distant relatives. It's a little awkward. They are basically strangers that you both expect you should feel close to, but there's no actual closeness. Finding a mutual interest or activity is a great icebreaker. You establish a level of ease, but you still don't feel actually close. One might think Raine's situation would change that, but she still is human with normal emotional responses. The hope of finding some quasi-spiritual connection is only going to make the awkwardness worse until you find something actually in common.
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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#24 Post by AndreRhineDavis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:13 pm

aitaituo wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:52 am
If you have any experience with meeting distant relatives, then Raine's and Rose's reactions are actually pretty realistic. I don't want to read deeply into Tom's experiences, but he has posted that he's gone to Korea to meet distant relatives. It's a little awkward. They are basically strangers that you both expect you should feel close to, but there's no actual closeness. Finding a mutual interest or activity is a great icebreaker. You establish a level of ease, but you still don't feel actually close. One might think Raine's situation would change that, but she still is human with normal emotional responses. The hope of finding some quasi-spiritual connection is only going to make the awkwardness worse until you find something actually in common.
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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#25 Post by Rafe » Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:53 am

While I pretty much agree with the way Raine and Rose's relationship is portrayed, I'd come down on the side that says it's that way because they're just getting to know each other, not because they're "distant relaives". Roselyn is Raine's first cousin, one generation removed. That means that they share a full quarter of the same DNA. Raine is a full 25% of what Roselyn is. That's not really distant. Remember too that both of them knew each other's stories. Even if they never figured on meeting each other they knew the other existed, and something about their life stories.

But I agree, even with close relatives, like parent-child relationships, being separated and/or never meeting the other can keep people more or less strangers. I do imagine Rose and Raine at least thought of and wondered about each other occasionally. The one thing though that seems awkward is Raine calling her "Ms. Roselyn" instead of "Cousin Rose". It seems out of place, even ill mannered. But I guess you could blame it on the fact that she just learned who she is and isn't used to it yet.

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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#26 Post by Warrl » Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:44 am

Rafe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:53 am
The one thing though that seems awkward is Raine calling her "Ms. Roselyn" instead of "Cousin Rose". It seems out of place, even ill mannered. But I guess you could blame it on the fact that she just learned who she is and isn't used to it yet.
Also that Rose is effectively the mistress of the house, and an elder.

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#27 Post by AmigaDragon » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:45 am

Rafe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:53 am
Roselyn is Raine's first cousin, one generation removed.
Do we really know Euchre and Rose's parents are siblings? Calling each other "cousin" could even be 2nd or 3rd cousins, with or without removals.
The one thing though that seems awkward is Raine calling her "Ms. Roselyn" instead of "Cousin Rose". It seems out of place, even ill mannered. But I guess you could blame it on the fact that she just learned who she is and isn't used to it yet.
I was thinking more along the lines of "Aunt Rose".
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Re: Comic For October 5, 2019: Lesson Over, Class Begun

#28 Post by Yastreb » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:33 am

AmigaDragon wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:45 am
Rafe wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:53 am
Roselyn is Raine's first cousin, one generation removed.
Do we really know Euchre and Rose's parents are siblings? Calling each other "cousin" could even be 2nd or 3rd cousins, with or without removals.
Also with Evals' comment on the number of his siblings and cousins, it looks like the keidran view on family and being related is different from humans. I think it has been suggested or speculated that keidran could call two people siblings if they had one common parent, or possibly even none if they have still grown up in the same family.

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