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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#16 Post by Cpt.Obvious » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:08 pm

BadJoke wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:11 pm
Well found Raine! Through that results in even more questions:
How did he do it? Did he managed to sneak into the camp (past two wolves and an assassin) to put a device of sorts?
Or is that bubble a natural thing for the hot spring?
And natural or not, why is he pretending? Why doesn't he try to make them surrender? It would be more logic, having them locked for a long time will just bring him problems... unless he is waiting for reinforcements. That would explain why he isn't on a hurry. And that means group B is still in danger and has to get out fast.
The fact that he is trying to distract them suggests that there is something they can do to break out, and it probably has something to do with what's at the center of the barrier. So doing a quick search might be worthwhile.

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#17 Post by Phaing » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:15 am

Yes indeed, good job Raine. Nice to see that somebody in that group has a sense of proportion. :raine:

So, what are our options here?

- Is that jerk pulling some stunt to keep them immobile until Captain Quirk can arrive with the Guards?

- Is there an artifact that guards people at that campsite that was triggered by the approach of some jerk with evil intentions?

- Did the B-Team get lost and end up in the wrong part of the country?

And I'm not sure which would be more tragic; these two groups missing out on a reunion by a few minutes, or Zen screwing things up for his sister.
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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#18 Post by Ecthudan » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:11 pm

So we're back to square one now? That Templar guy isn't even the one maintaining the bubble, he's just trying to take advantage of the situation? This situation is just becoming weirder and weirder. I wonder if he even knows what's going on himself. If he's an accomplice to whoever is actually maintaining the force field, then why is he being so secretive about it? What's even the point of claiming he's the one who created it?

Unless the one maintaining the force field doesn't want to give away their identity. In any case, it seems instead of having our previous questions answered, we're just left with even more questions than before!

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#19 Post by whiskeyfur » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:34 pm

I'm of the idea that whatever it is that's powering the field is dead center of it all, which means they find it, use it as a battery... and carver finds himself on the receiving end of a very po'ed wolf's fireball, powered by said device.

Hows that for turn about?

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#20 Post by DShiznit » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 pm

Since I'm a bit of a math and physics nerd, I decided to calculate the size of the bubble and how long it would actually take the party to run out of air. This makes the assumption that everyone involved has the same tolerances for oxygen and CO2 as a human being, that Scythe has the shoulder width of the average American adult male, and that the atmosphere of the planet TwoKinds takes place on is identical to Earth's. I included links to other sites I used as references, and I'm sure the numbers aren't perfect (I already had to make one major correction) but the picture it paints is an interesting one.

Image
I marked 3 points with red pixels (zoom in [ctrl +] to see) and drew a line across Scythe's shoulders to use for scale.

points:

(0,234)
(153,298)
(292,318)

I then used this widget to do all the complicated math required to get a circle that crosses 3 points
http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/vie ... 9b91666803

radius: 606.28

The total size of the bubble would look like this:

Image
(I know it looks a bit small, but it's what the man drew)


width of scythe's shoulders: 21 px

average adult male shoulders (according to Google): 18.25 in.

widest bodybuilder shoulders (source): 24 in.

While I could assume a 21-inch width to make the math easier, this would only be appropriate if Scythe was absolutely ripped. Although he's certainly fit, he doesn't look that wide, so I went with the average

18.25/21 = .869/1 in/px

radius (in feet) = ((.869)(606.28))/12 = 43.905 ft


Volume of a hemisphere (in feet) = (2/3)pi r^3 = (2/3)pi(43.905)^3 = 56421.426 ft^3 (I used 3.14159 for pi because I was too lazy to find the button for it)


Amount of air breathed by 1 human in 1 day = 300ft^3 (source)

difference in oxygen exhaled = 6% or .06


So there will be 300(6) * .06 = 108 ft^3 less oxygen per day the party spends in the bubble.


Minimum oxygen concentration needed for humans = 19.5% (source)

This is only where it starts to get uncomfortable. True lethality would be lower. At 10% you get exhausted without even moving, so we'll use that.

oxygen concentration of air = 20.95% (source)

oxygen at start = 56421.426(.2095) = 11820.289 ft^3

dangerously low oxygen = 56421.426(.10) = 5642.143 ft^3


days of breathable oxygen = (11820.289 - 5642.143)/108 = 57.205 days

I wouldn't call that ages, but Raine is correct, Carver will be waiting a fairly long time.


But now lets check for when CO2 levels become toxic.

CO2 concentration of air = 0.04%

CO2 in bubble = 56421.426(.0004) = 22.569 ft^3

Dangerous CO2 concentration = 3%

Lethal C02 in bubble = 56421.426(.03) = 1692.643 ft^3

difference = 1692.643 - 22.569 = 1670.074 ft^3

increase in CO2 = 300(6)(.04) = 72 ft^3 per day


It would take 1670.074/72 = 23.195 days for CO2 levels to become dangerous.

This is more concerning, but still a lot of time for Carver to wait. The party would likely die of CO2 toxicity in a little over 3 weeks.
Incidentally, this is also about how long it would take them to starve to death if they have no food (unless they turn to canibalism or Mrs. Nibbly).


So Raine is sort-of correct. They have some time, but only a few weeks. Certainly not what I'd call "ages". And the problem isn't running out of air, it's that they'd make the air toxic.

Oh, and before you bring up the "trees", comic #981 shows only a single tree within the bubble. I crunched the numbers real quick on that and the average tree would only produce 8.5 cubic feet of oxygen, and consume 1.6 cubic feet of CO2, per day. The party is using 108 ft^3 of oxygen and putting out 72 ft^3 of CO2 each day, so the difference would be negligible.

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#21 Post by Ddraig » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:03 pm

DShiznit wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 pm
Since I'm a bit of a math and physics nerd, I decided to calculate the size of the bubble and how long it would actually take the party to run out of air. This makes the assumption that everyone involved has the same tolerances for oxygen and CO2 as a human being, that Scythe has the shoulder width of the average American adult male, and that the atmosphere of the planet TwoKinds takes place on is identical to Earth's. I included links to other sites I used as references, and I'm sure the numbers aren't perfect (I already had to make one major correction) but the picture it paints is an interesting one.
Spoiler!
Image
I marked 3 points with red pixels (zoom in [ctrl +] to see) and drew a line across Scythe's shoulders to use for scale.

points:

(0,234)
(153,298)
(292,318)

I then used this widget to do all the complicated math required to get a circle that crosses 3 points
http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/vie ... 9b91666803

radius: 606.28

The total size of the bubble would look like this:

Image
(I know it looks a bit small, but it's what the man drew)


width of scythe's shoulders: 21 px

average adult male shoulders (according to Google): 18.25 in.

widest bodybuilder shoulders (source): 24 in.

While I could assume a 21-inch width to make the math easier, this would only be appropriate if Scythe was absolutely ripped. Although he's certainly fit, he doesn't look that wide, so I went with the average

18.25/21 = .869/1 in/px

radius (in feet) = ((.869)(606.28))/12 = 43.905 ft


Volume of a hemisphere (in feet) = (2/3)pi r^3 = (2/3)pi(43.905)^3 = 56421.426 ft^3 (I used 3.14159 for pi because I was too lazy to find the button for it)


Amount of air breathed by 1 human in 1 day = 300ft^3 (source)

difference in oxygen exhaled = 6% or .06


So there will be 300(6) * .06 = 108 ft^3 less oxygen per day the party spends in the bubble.


Minimum oxygen concentration needed for humans = 19.5% (source)

This is only where it starts to get uncomfortable. True lethality would be lower. At 10% you get exhausted without even moving, so we'll use that.

oxygen concentration of air = 20.95% (source)

oxygen at start = 56421.426(.2095) = 11820.289 ft^3

dangerously low oxygen = 56421.426(.10) = 5642.143 ft^3


days of breathable oxygen = (11820.289 - 5642.143)/108 = 57.205 days

I wouldn't call that ages, but Raine is correct, Carver will be waiting a fairly long time.


But now lets check for when CO2 levels become toxic.

CO2 concentration of air = 0.04%

CO2 in bubble = 56421.426(.0004) = 22.569 ft^3

Dangerous CO2 concentration = 3%

Lethal C02 in bubble = 56421.426(.03) = 1692.643 ft^3

difference = 1692.643 - 22.569 = 1670.074 ft^3

increase in CO2 = 300(6)(.04) = 72 ft^3 per day


It would take 1670.074/72 = 23.195 days for CO2 levels to become dangerous.

This is more concerning, but still a lot of time for Carver to wait. The party would likely die of CO2 toxicity in a little over 3 weeks.
Incidentally, this is also about how long it would take them to starve to death if they have no food (unless they turn to canibalism or Mrs. Nibbly).

So Raine is sort-of correct. They have some time, but only a few weeks. Certainly not what I'd call "ages". And the problem isn't running out of air, it's that they'd make the air toxic.

Oh, and before you bring up the "trees", comic #981 shows only a single tree within the bubble. I crunched the numbers real quick on that and the average tree would only produce 8.5 cubic feet of oxygen, and consume 1.6 cubic feet of CO2, per day. The party is using 108 ft^3 of oxygen and putting out 72 ft^3 of CO2 each day, so the difference would be negligible.
Grass as a whole is a larger O2 producer than trees, it's easier and more accurate to just use the surface area of the enclosed circle.
I did similar math on an earlier page's thread using some rough-work off that tree's height in #981 (I failed conservative and went with 25ft tall; most mature trees are upwards of 40ft) and the grass alone would be enough to sustain them indefinitely.

Some notes on your math:
Human's O2 consumption; is that 6 percent additive or multiplicative when applied to Earth Atmosphere's 20.95%?

Also, you may want to account for the O2 consumption of Red's fireball (I math'd it to around 1% (additive) of the O2 volume, assuming perfect hemisphere)
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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#22 Post by DShiznit » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:56 pm

Ddraig wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:03 pm
DShiznit wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 pm
Since I'm a bit of a math and physics nerd, I decided to calculate the size of the bubble and how long it would actually take the party to run out of air. This makes the assumption that everyone involved has the same tolerances for oxygen and CO2 as a human being, that Scythe has the shoulder width of the average American adult male, and that the atmosphere of the planet TwoKinds takes place on is identical to Earth's. I included links to other sites I used as references, and I'm sure the numbers aren't perfect (I already had to make one major correction) but the picture it paints is an interesting one.
Spoiler!
Image
I marked 3 points with red pixels (zoom in [ctrl +] to see) and drew a line across Scythe's shoulders to use for scale.

points:

(0,234)
(153,298)
(292,318)

I then used this widget to do all the complicated math required to get a circle that crosses 3 points
http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/vie ... 9b91666803

radius: 606.28

The total size of the bubble would look like this:

Image
(I know it looks a bit small, but it's what the man drew)


width of scythe's shoulders: 21 px

average adult male shoulders (according to Google): 18.25 in.

widest bodybuilder shoulders (source): 24 in.

While I could assume a 21-inch width to make the math easier, this would only be appropriate if Scythe was absolutely ripped. Although he's certainly fit, he doesn't look that wide, so I went with the average

18.25/21 = .869/1 in/px

radius (in feet) = ((.869)(606.28))/12 = 43.905 ft


Volume of a hemisphere (in feet) = (2/3)pi r^3 = (2/3)pi(43.905)^3 = 56421.426 ft^3 (I used 3.14159 for pi because I was too lazy to find the button for it)


Amount of air breathed by 1 human in 1 day = 300ft^3 (source)

difference in oxygen exhaled = 6% or .06


So there will be 300(6) * .06 = 108 ft^3 less oxygen per day the party spends in the bubble.


Minimum oxygen concentration needed for humans = 19.5% (source)

This is only where it starts to get uncomfortable. True lethality would be lower. At 10% you get exhausted without even moving, so we'll use that.

oxygen concentration of air = 20.95% (source)

oxygen at start = 56421.426(.2095) = 11820.289 ft^3

dangerously low oxygen = 56421.426(.10) = 5642.143 ft^3


days of breathable oxygen = (11820.289 - 5642.143)/108 = 57.205 days

I wouldn't call that ages, but Raine is correct, Carver will be waiting a fairly long time.


But now lets check for when CO2 levels become toxic.

CO2 concentration of air = 0.04%

CO2 in bubble = 56421.426(.0004) = 22.569 ft^3

Dangerous CO2 concentration = 3%

Lethal C02 in bubble = 56421.426(.03) = 1692.643 ft^3

difference = 1692.643 - 22.569 = 1670.074 ft^3

increase in CO2 = 300(6)(.04) = 72 ft^3 per day


It would take 1670.074/72 = 23.195 days for CO2 levels to become dangerous.

This is more concerning, but still a lot of time for Carver to wait. The party would likely die of CO2 toxicity in a little over 3 weeks.
Incidentally, this is also about how long it would take them to starve to death if they have no food (unless they turn to canibalism or Mrs. Nibbly).

So Raine is sort-of correct. They have some time, but only a few weeks. Certainly not what I'd call "ages". And the problem isn't running out of air, it's that they'd make the air toxic.

Oh, and before you bring up the "trees", comic #981 shows only a single tree within the bubble. I crunched the numbers real quick on that and the average tree would only produce 8.5 cubic feet of oxygen, and consume 1.6 cubic feet of CO2, per day. The party is using 108 ft^3 of oxygen and putting out 72 ft^3 of CO2 each day, so the difference would be negligible.
Grass as a whole is a larger O2 producer than trees, it's easier and more accurate to just use the surface area of the enclosed circle.
I did similar math on an earlier page's thread using some rough-work off that tree's height in #981 (I failed conservative and went with 25ft tall; most mature trees are upwards of 40ft) and the grass alone would be enough to sustain them indefinitely.

Some notes on your math:
Human's O2 consumption; is that 6 percent additive or multiplicative when applied to Earth Atmosphere's 20.95%?

Also, you may want to account for the O2 consumption of Red's fireball (I math'd it to around 1% (additive) of the O2 volume, assuming perfect hemisphere)
O2 isn't the problem, CO2 is. I did some quick math on the CO2 consumption of grass:

1g/m^2 = 0.00220462 lb/m^2 = 0.00220462 lb/10.7639 ft^2 = 0.00205 lb/ 10 ft^2 (source1) (source2)

area = pi(r^2) = pi(43.905)^2 = 6055.888 ft^2

CO2 consumed by grass = (6055.888/10)(0.00205) = 1.241 lb per day

Again, they're producing 72 lbs. of CO2 each day, so between the tree and the grass they gain maybe a day. Good thought though, it was worth looking into.

As for the 6% oxygen, that's how much less oxygen is in the air being exhaled by each person. As the source for those numbers explains, the air taken in is 21% oxygen, while the air coming out is 15%. 21-15 = 6.

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#23 Post by Ddraig » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:48 am

DShiznit wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:56 pm
Ddraig wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:03 pm
DShiznit wrote:
Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:59 pm
Since I'm a bit of a math and physics nerd, I decided to calculate the size of the bubble and how long it would actually take the party to run out of air. This makes the assumption that everyone involved has the same tolerances for oxygen and CO2 as a human being, that Scythe has the shoulder width of the average American adult male, and that the atmosphere of the planet TwoKinds takes place on is identical to Earth's. I included links to other sites I used as references, and I'm sure the numbers aren't perfect (I already had to make one major correction) but the picture it paints is an interesting one.
Spoiler!
Image
I marked 3 points with red pixels (zoom in [ctrl +] to see) and drew a line across Scythe's shoulders to use for scale.

points:

(0,234)
(153,298)
(292,318)

I then used this widget to do all the complicated math required to get a circle that crosses 3 points
http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/vie ... 9b91666803

radius: 606.28

The total size of the bubble would look like this:

Image
(I know it looks a bit small, but it's what the man drew)


width of scythe's shoulders: 21 px

average adult male shoulders (according to Google): 18.25 in.

widest bodybuilder shoulders (source): 24 in.

While I could assume a 21-inch width to make the math easier, this would only be appropriate if Scythe was absolutely ripped. Although he's certainly fit, he doesn't look that wide, so I went with the average

18.25/21 = .869/1 in/px

radius (in feet) = ((.869)(606.28))/12 = 43.905 ft


Volume of a hemisphere (in feet) = (2/3)pi r^3 = (2/3)pi(43.905)^3 = 56421.426 ft^3 (I used 3.14159 for pi because I was too lazy to find the button for it)


Amount of air breathed by 1 human in 1 day = 300ft^3 (source)

difference in oxygen exhaled = 6% or .06


So there will be 300(6) * .06 = 108 ft^3 less oxygen per day the party spends in the bubble.


Minimum oxygen concentration needed for humans = 19.5% (source)

This is only where it starts to get uncomfortable. True lethality would be lower. At 10% you get exhausted without even moving, so we'll use that.

oxygen concentration of air = 20.95% (source)

oxygen at start = 56421.426(.2095) = 11820.289 ft^3

dangerously low oxygen = 56421.426(.10) = 5642.143 ft^3


days of breathable oxygen = (11820.289 - 5642.143)/108 = 57.205 days

I wouldn't call that ages, but Raine is correct, Carver will be waiting a fairly long time.


But now lets check for when CO2 levels become toxic.

CO2 concentration of air = 0.04%

CO2 in bubble = 56421.426(.0004) = 22.569 ft^3

Dangerous CO2 concentration = 3%

Lethal C02 in bubble = 56421.426(.03) = 1692.643 ft^3

difference = 1692.643 - 22.569 = 1670.074 ft^3

increase in CO2 = 300(6)(.04) = 72 ft^3 per day


It would take 1670.074/72 = 23.195 days for CO2 levels to become dangerous.

This is more concerning, but still a lot of time for Carver to wait. The party would likely die of CO2 toxicity in a little over 3 weeks.
Incidentally, this is also about how long it would take them to starve to death if they have no food (unless they turn to canibalism or Mrs. Nibbly).

So Raine is sort-of correct. They have some time, but only a few weeks. Certainly not what I'd call "ages". And the problem isn't running out of air, it's that they'd make the air toxic.

Oh, and before you bring up the "trees", comic #981 shows only a single tree within the bubble. I crunched the numbers real quick on that and the average tree would only produce 8.5 cubic feet of oxygen, and consume 1.6 cubic feet of CO2, per day. The party is using 108 ft^3 of oxygen and putting out 72 ft^3 of CO2 each day, so the difference would be negligible.
Grass as a whole is a larger O2 producer than trees, it's easier and more accurate to just use the surface area of the enclosed circle.
I did similar math on an earlier page's thread using some rough-work off that tree's height in #981 (I failed conservative and went with 25ft tall; most mature trees are upwards of 40ft) and the grass alone would be enough to sustain them indefinitely.

Some notes on your math:
Human's O2 consumption; is that 6 percent additive or multiplicative when applied to Earth Atmosphere's 20.95%?

Also, you may want to account for the O2 consumption of Red's fireball (I math'd it to around 1% (additive) of the O2 volume, assuming perfect hemisphere)
O2 isn't the problem, CO2 is. I did some quick math on the CO2 consumption of grass:

1g/m^2 = 0.00220462 lb/m^2 = 0.00220462 lb/10.7639 ft^2 = 0.00205 lb/ 10 ft^2 (source1) (source2)

area = pi(r^2) = pi(43.905)^2 = 6055.888 ft^2

CO2 consumed by grass = (6055.888/10)(0.00205) = 1.241 lb per day

Again, they're producing 72 lbs. of CO2 each day, so between the tree and the grass they gain maybe a day. Good thought though, it was worth looking into.

As for the 6% oxygen, that's how much less oxygen is in the air being exhaled by each person. As the source for those numbers explains, the air taken in is 21% oxygen, while the air coming out is 15%. 21-15 = 6.
Fire - assuming it's not something strange burning - converts O2 directly to CO2 on a pretty much 1:1 basis. When I talk about fire's "oxygen consumption" I mean both the O2 it's using and the CO2 it's creating.
I got different numbers for the amount of CO2 consumed and O2 created by the grass, but I also used a different metric for determining the size of the bubble (And don't feel much like re-finding my sources to recalculate it tonight, since either way Group B has plenty of time)
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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#24 Post by DShiznit » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:07 pm

Ddraig wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:48 am
Fire - assuming it's not something strange burning - converts O2 directly to CO2 on a pretty much 1:1 basis. When I talk about fire's "oxygen consumption" I mean both the O2 it's using and the CO2 it's creating.
I got different numbers for the amount of CO2 consumed and O2 created by the grass, but I also used a different metric for determining the size of the bubble (And don't feel much like re-finding my sources to recalculate it tonight, since either way Group B has plenty of time)
Yeah, I figure we also may have used different numbers for the rate of CO2 consumption of grass in general, and I'll be honest, I didn't spend a lot of time researching it. I took a forum post that appeared to have good sourcing and good math and just ran with it.

Let me look into the fireball real quick though, that sounds fun.

Going by your estimate that the fireball converted 1% of the bubble's oxygen into CO2:

Total oxygen in bubble: 11820.289 ft^3

11820.289(.01) = 118.203 ft^3 of CO2 added to the bubble

Since the whole party produces 72 ft^3 of CO2 per day, this would cut their survival time by about a day and a half. Not a huge change, but one I would be pretty pissed about if I were Maren.

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#25 Post by Cyon » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:14 am

Damn this got deep really quick...
What I get from it though is that they'll have plenty of time to figure something out, either by going to the centre of the forcefield or having someone come to their rescue.
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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#26 Post by GaySailors » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:11 am

If it wasn't past midnight I'd love to throw my hat into the ring, but I will point out that Raine does mention the word trees - plural. Since we've only seen one, it makes accurate calculations a bit questionable, but theres one more thing no ones talked about. He's lying.

Its pretty specific that Clovis wants Zen alive, and Raine is right on questioning the size of the bubble. He could have just put it closer around them, why not? In fact, if theres this much mana energy, why not just attack them? Clearly there must be some sort of specific power source, be it crystal or multiple people. He could absolutely overwhelm them, especially with an ambush and the whole "they went to bed" thing. It would have been so much simpler, quicker, and as a bounty hunter, better. So now we're faced with some scenarios:

1) Hes telling the truth and sucks as an assassin. An assassin that makes a useless disguise and uses the least convenient methods that are available to do his very important job.
2) He's lying, and there would be enough air for them to survive for a very large time so he can...?

Not exactly a tough decision on which to believe. Lets focus on the disguise too. Why the human disguise? Its clear thats a very hard thing to perfect, and the only give away was Raine's ability to recognize it after living her whole life observing it. In the grand scheme of objectives, with all things considered, it would be kind of pointless. Think about it. The only use would be to carry Zen to Clovis's location through the human towns - but why use it now? It's tiring to pull off by itself and theres no use in having it when he attacked them. Its just straining. And if he really is so strong he can cast an illusion for lengths of time and make a barrier that size and powerful, we get back to the original problem: why not just ambush them? Rinse and repeat. Trying to make this work is impossible, there has to be another reason. He's either a sadist trying whos terrible at his very important job and also happens to be one of the strongest magic users around, or hes not going to let the air run out.

They could survive in there for as long as the food lasts, he clearly isn't going to kill them otherwise. If they ever were low on oxygen, which is still questionable, he'd just add more. It's not like slowly choking them would help, and if he did, Zen would be just as endangered as they are, and that would be risky. He's clearly waiting for someone or something, theres no other reason to even be in this situation in the first place. The question shouldn't be how much oxygen there is, it should be why he let all of them have that amount of oxygen in particular.

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Re: Comic for July 13, 2017: Raine's Rumination

#27 Post by Ddraig » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:21 pm

GaySailors wrote:
Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:11 am
If it wasn't past midnight I'd love to throw my hat into the ring, but I will point out that Raine does mention the word trees - plural. Since we've only seen one, it makes accurate calculations a bit questionable, but theres one more thing no ones talked about. He's lying.
tbf, there's two small tree trunks visible in this (983) page, panel 4, and this (981) page, panel 1, has two treetops visible (note that the fireball panel doesn't actually show the whole dome, though I don't know where they were standing in it)
"Light thinks it travels faster than anything, but it's wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it always finds that darkness has gotten there first, and is waiting for it."

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